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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/06/30/japans-possible-mortgage-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-391273</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, there are cases of that but it&#039;s a tiny minority, and not practical in most cases anyway. I mean, most people want to live with their own kids even more than they want to send them to another school, and transportation isn&#039;t adequate in most of the US to send your kids into another down early in the morning every day, while you go to work in another direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there are cases of that but it&#8217;s a tiny minority, and not practical in most cases anyway. I mean, most people want to live with their own kids even more than they want to send them to another school, and transportation isn&#8217;t adequate in most of the US to send your kids into another down early in the morning every day, while you go to work in another direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Just saying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just saying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to moving, some people in the US utilize other methods to have their kids placed in better public schools. One method would be to have someone living in the better district serve as guardian of the child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to moving, some people in the US utilize other methods to have their kids placed in better public schools. One method would be to have someone living in the better district serve as guardian of the child.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/06/30/japans-possible-mortgage-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-388947</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Major cities have a small number of elite magnet schools, but most students still have no real choice but to go to their local school. For example, in NYC there are a handful of top-notch high schools like Stuyvesant or Bronx Science, but they have an entrance exam as competitive as anything in Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Major cities have a small number of elite magnet schools, but most students still have no real choice but to go to their local school. For example, in <span class="caps">NYC</span> there are a handful of top-notch high schools like Stuyvesant or Bronx Science, but they have an entrance exam as competitive as anything in Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the only way for the vast majority of Americans to choose a school for their children is to move&quot;

I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s true. Most major cities have magnet schools these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the only way for the vast majority of Americans to choose a school for their children is to move&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s true. Most major cities have magnet schools these days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/06/30/japans-possible-mortgage-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-388539</link>
		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did mention car ownership and a good road network, I just forgot to mention that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did mention car ownership and a good road network, I just forgot to mention that</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Technological/material: The technology was there to build sturdy cheap houses&quot;

They didn&#039;t mention mass car ownership? Japan built most of its really crap postwar housing about a decade before car ownership became the norm. Out in the inaka here you can pretty much ride a wave of housing quality. Middle of town - mix of the best (recently rebuilt) and the worst (old shells and leftovers from the 50s), bit more out - decent apartments (80s and 90s) but crap houses and stores (built in the 1960s and 1970s), doinaka - houses look fine (mostly bubble era), but are starting to show age. Of course, down this way you don&#039;t feel the lack of quality (insulation, etc.) like you do up north.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Technological/material: The technology was there to build sturdy cheap houses&#8221;</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t mention mass car ownership? Japan built most of its really crap postwar housing about a decade before car ownership became the norm. Out in the inaka here you can pretty much ride a wave of housing quality. Middle of town &#8211; mix of the best (recently rebuilt) and the worst (old shells and leftovers from the 50s), bit more out &#8211; decent apartments (80s and 90s) but crap houses and stores (built in the 1960s and 1970s), doinaka &#8211; houses look fine (mostly bubble era), but are starting to show age. Of course, down this way you don&#8217;t feel the lack of quality (insulation, etc.) like you do up north.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/06/30/japans-possible-mortgage-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-388474</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just heard that same episode too, and was going to make pretty much the same followup comment you beat me to. What&#039;s interesting is that the idea of a home as disposable faded in the US around the same time that old homes actually first became stylish. This is really only just beginning to happen in Japan, but considering the poor quality and style of most post-war homes, I doubt it will ever (at least not for many decades) have even close to the same level of effect.

You actually forgot one of the essential points made in that episode though, which is the way in which primary/secondary education in the US is almost exclusively limited to your local school district, making the choice of living location far more critical than it is in Japan, and presumably many European countries. Japanese people I speak to about this difference (and it comes up a lot, which me being in the graduate school of education) find it kind of hard to comprehend that the only way for the vast majority of Americans to choose a school for their children is to move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard that same episode too, and was going to make pretty much the same followup comment you beat me to. What&#8217;s interesting is that the idea of a home as disposable faded in the US around the same time that old homes actually first became stylish. This is really only just beginning to happen in Japan, but considering the poor quality and style of most post-war homes, I doubt it will ever (at least not for many decades) have even close to the same level of effect.</p>
<p>You actually forgot one of the essential points made in that episode though, which is the way in which primary/secondary education in the US is almost exclusively limited to your local school district, making the choice of living location far more critical than it is in Japan, and presumably many European countries. Japanese people I speak to about this difference (and it comes up a lot, which me being in the graduate school of education) find it kind of hard to comprehend that the only way for the vast majority of Americans to choose a school for their children is to move.</p>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related note, the latest episode of Planet Money discusses why the American home market is so special - most people own homes in the suburbs that they expect will go up in value (and still do at least in the long term). In many countries (and the US before the 50s) people see houses like they see cars - as something that will inevitably go down in value. The argument for why the US is so much more suburbanized than Japan as follows: 

1) Before the 1930s housing was not the government&#039;s concern at all
2) Incentives toward home ownership started in the 30s as part of the New Deal but didn&#039;t really take off until the 50s
3) Suburbanism took off in the 50s for a number of reasons:
- Geographic: America has a lot of good land to build houses
- Technological/material: The technology was there to build sturdy cheap houses
- Racism: white flight meant that massive of former city-dwellers flocked to suburbs for &quot;better schools&quot; (also blacks were initially excluded from America&#039;s housing programs) - the fact that there is nobody to run from in countries like Japan takes away a major motivator to leave the city
- Incentives: The low fixed interest rates and low down payments were subsidized by the govt and were the final icing on the cake to make housing seem worth it

In Japan we seem to be missing the available space, racism, and sturdy house factors, though ownership rates are actually kind of high at 60% (compared to 69% in the US). Also it looks like only part of home loan interest is tax deductible in Japan, whereas in the US I am pretty sure it&#039;s 100% deductible.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/06/hear_paying_it_all_back.html
http://www.stat.go.jp/data/jyutaku/2003/panflet/4cyou3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_ownership_rate
http://www.jhf.go.jp/jumap/atoz/houseloan/3_5.html
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/history/fac-bios/Jackson/faculty.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related note, the latest episode of Planet Money discusses why the American home market is so special &#8211; most people own homes in the suburbs that they expect will go up in value (and still do at least in the long term). In many countries (and the US before the 50s) people see houses like they see cars &#8211; as something that will inevitably go down in value. The argument for why the US is so much more suburbanized than Japan as follows:</p>
<p>1) Before the 1930s housing was not the government&#8217;s concern at all<br />
2) Incentives toward home ownership started in the 30s as part of the New Deal but didn&#8217;t really take off until the 50s<br />
3) Suburbanism took off in the 50s for a number of reasons: &#8211; Geographic: America has a lot of good land to build houses &#8211; Technological/material: The technology was there to build sturdy cheap houses &#8211; Racism: white flight meant that massive of former city-dwellers flocked to suburbs for &#8220;better schools&#8221; (also blacks were initially excluded from America&#8217;s housing programs) &#8211; the fact that there is nobody to run from in countries like Japan takes away a major motivator to leave the city &#8211; Incentives: The low fixed interest rates and low down payments were subsidized by the govt and were the final icing on the cake to make housing seem worth it</p>
<p>In Japan we seem to be missing the available space, racism, and sturdy house factors, though ownership rates are actually kind of high at 60% (compared to 69% in the US). Also it looks like only part of home loan interest is tax deductible in Japan, whereas in the <span class="caps">US I</span> am pretty sure it&#8217;s 100% deductible.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/06/hear_paying_it_all_back.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/06/hear_paying_it_all_back.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.stat.go.jp/data/jyutaku/2003/panflet/4cyou3.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.stat.go.jp/data/jyutaku/2003/panflet/4cyou3.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_ownership_rate" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_ownership_rate</a><br />
<a href="http://www.jhf.go.jp/jumap/atoz/houseloan/3_5.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jhf.go.jp/jumap/atoz/houseloan/3_5.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/history/fac-bios/Jackson/faculty.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/history/fac-bios/Jackson/faculty.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony said, &lt;blockquote&gt;[M]ost houses built now are perfectly capable of lasting 50 or 60 years at least. The problem is a) very few people want to buy a used house and b) houses aren’t properly maintained because of that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

My host family was interested in my tales of home repair/improvement. After all, it&#039;s not aomething they&#039;d undertake, and it was somewhat humorous to them that a woman would do such things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony said,<br />
<blockquote>[M]ost houses built now are perfectly capable of lasting 50 or 60 years at least. The problem is a) very few people want to buy a used house and b) houses aren&#8217;t properly maintained because of that.</p></blockquote>
<p>My host family was interested in my tales of home repair/improvement. After all, it&#8217;s not aomething they&#8217;d undertake, and it was somewhat humorous to them that a woman would do such things.</p>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you lose your house you are pretty much ruined anyway. 

If your house is worth more than the mortgage and you think you cant make mortgage payments, you should sell the house and move into a cheaper apt or something rather than get foreclosed on. And if thats not an option then youre ruined no matter what and you have to declare bankruptcy. 

Generally I think the bonus payment system is kinda ludicrous because if there is no penalty for early repayment you can design your OWN bonus payment system by choosing to pay down your debt. As Ken mentioned stuff like that is just another way for real estate people to play 3-card monte with prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you lose your house you are pretty much ruined anyway.</p>
<p>If your house is worth more than the mortgage and you think you cant make mortgage payments, you should sell the house and move into a cheaper apt or something rather than get foreclosed on. And if thats not an option then youre ruined no matter what and you have to declare bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Generally I think the bonus payment system is kinda ludicrous because if there is no penalty for early repayment you can design your <span class="caps">OWN</span> bonus payment system by choosing to pay down your debt. As Ken mentioned stuff like that is just another way for real estate people to play 3-card monte with prices.</p>
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