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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/03/26/africans-in-guangzhou-africans-in-tokyo/comment-page-1/#comment-396670</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from DANWEI

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		<title>By: Kalahumai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalahumai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does China allow so many blacks inside the country? Do they want a detroit or haiti inside their country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does China allow so many blacks inside the country? Do they want a detroit or haiti inside their country?</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/03/26/africans-in-guangzhou-africans-in-tokyo/comment-page-1/#comment-357995</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s probably because of narc related crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s probably because of narc related crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The breakdown by nationality is pretty straightforward but I haven&#039;t seen it done by nationality AND crime committed (or sentence) -

(Interestingly, in the official Japanese stats, China includes Taiwan) -

Stats are for newly sent to jail -

China - 40%
Brazil - 12%
Korea - 10% (Zainichi not included)
Iran - 6%
Vietnam - 6%
America - 1% (15 people)

The group that are imprisoned madly out of line with their population are Iranians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The breakdown by nationality is pretty straightforward but I haven&#8217;t seen it done by nationality <span class="caps">AND</span> crime committed (or sentence) &#8211;<br />
(Interestingly, in the official Japanese stats, China includes Taiwan) &#8211;<br />
Stats are for newly sent to jail &#8211;<br />
China &#8211; 40%<br />
Brazil &#8211; 12%<br />
Korea &#8211; 10% (Zainichi not included)<br />
Iran &#8211; 6%<br />
Vietnam &#8211; 6%<br />
America &#8211; 1% (15 people)</p>
<p>The group that are imprisoned madly out of line with their population are Iranians.</p>
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		<title>By: CityDweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>CityDweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see some of those crime statistics broken down by country of origin as well.  As there are foreigners and then there are foreigners.   My point is when I was living and working in Taiwan - I definitely got preferential treatment for visas and in dealing with officials then my colleagues from the Philippines and India (some of whom were using passports from Australia).  I always got the maximum visa lengths with no problems, while they were often restricted to one or two weeks maximum.  The idea that an IT professional working for a multinational company, would want to be an illegal immigrant into Taiwan doing menial jobs is ridiculous.  This has been repeated in other countries as well, that as I’m of an obvious northern European origin I usually have a much easier time in dealing with officials then my colleagues from SE Asia.

Also – I kind of would expect foreigners to have more difficulty with the police then locals, because as a foreigner – you don’t know how things work.  In other words what laws are enforced, which ones aren’t – and how far you can push something.  How to behave with the police and how the judicial system works and even what guilty behavior looks like to someone from a different culture.  Meeting someone’s eyes can be interpreted as honesty or insolence depending on where you are.  So stats on how foreigners are treated as compared to Japanese would be skewed in part because foreigners don&#039;t necessarily behave like Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see some of those crime statistics broken down by country of origin as well.  As there are foreigners and then there are foreigners.   My point is when I was living and working in Taiwan &#8211; I definitely got preferential treatment for visas and in dealing with officials then my colleagues from the Philippines and India (some of whom were using passports from Australia).  I always got the maximum visa lengths with no problems, while they were often restricted to one or two weeks maximum.  The idea that an IT professional working for a multinational company, would want to be an illegal immigrant into Taiwan doing menial jobs is ridiculous.  This has been repeated in other countries as well, that as I&#8217;m of an obvious northern European origin I usually have a much easier time in dealing with officials then my colleagues from <span class="caps">SE </span>Asia.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; I kind of would expect foreigners to have more difficulty with the police then locals, because as a foreigner &#8211; you don&#8217;t know how things work.  In other words what laws are enforced, which ones aren&#8217;t &#8211; and how far you can push something.  How to behave with the police and how the judicial system works and even what guilty behavior looks like to someone from a different culture.  Meeting someone&#8217;s eyes can be interpreted as honesty or insolence depending on where you are.  So stats on how foreigners are treated as compared to Japanese would be skewed in part because foreigners don&#8217;t necessarily behave like Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: Jade Oc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jade Oc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Afterall a black celebrity would need the acceptance of the majority white population in order to be successful in Hollywood.&quot;

This is arrant nonsense. It is completely irrelevant what race the majority is - the celeb just needs the majority to be a celeb. But then again, what you really seem to be saying is that blacks need whites to accept them. Isn&#039;t that exactly what racial tolerance is supposed to be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Afterall a black celebrity would need the acceptance of the majority white population in order to be successful in Hollywood.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is arrant nonsense. It is completely irrelevant what race the majority is &#8211; the celeb just needs the majority to be a celeb. But then again, what you really seem to be saying is that blacks need whites to accept them. Isn&#8217;t that exactly what racial tolerance is supposed to be?</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Still you’re big time racists because the only way for blacks to succeed is to be popular with whites and not by their own academic merits.&quot;

A - I&#039;m not American.
B - I work at a university and was party to hiring a &quot;black ... by their own academic merits.&quot;
C - Will Smith is America&#039;s most consistent box office champ.

Jammer, a word of advice - you may think that you are defending China here, but most of the people who read a blog like this are intelligent enough to realise that societies like China, Japan, etc. are very pluralist - you can find racism and welcoming attitudes, altruism and hatred. Your arguments are just not very logical and seem to be rooted in some kind of misplaced nationalist hate of the US. In trying to argue that Chinese are reasonable and progressive global citizens (many are) you are instead reminding everybody that some (especially younger) Chinese are beholden to a pretty disturbing form of nationalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Still you&#8217;re big time racists because the only way for blacks to succeed is to be popular with whites and not by their own academic merits.&#8221;</p>
<p>A &#8211; I&#8217;m not American.<br />
B &#8211; I work at a university and was party to hiring a &#8220;black &#8230; by their own academic merits.&#8221;<br />
C &#8211; Will Smith is America&#8217;s most consistent box office champ.</p>
<p>Jammer, a word of advice &#8211; you may think that you are defending China here, but most of the people who read a blog like this are intelligent enough to realise that societies like China, Japan, etc. are very pluralist &#8211; you can find racism and welcoming attitudes, altruism and hatred. Your arguments are just not very logical and seem to be rooted in some kind of misplaced nationalist hate of the US. In trying to argue that Chinese are reasonable and progressive global citizens (many are) you are instead reminding everybody that some (especially younger) Chinese are beholden to a pretty disturbing form of nationalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And you think you can accuse the Chinese of racism.&quot;

Well,they may not target &quot;Africans&quot;,but their cops sure beat the shit out of unarmed Tibetans.And their soccer fans are not exactly gentle when they are dealing with foreign teams(Especially Japanese).
We&#039;ll learn about Chinese attitudes toward immigrants when they start having them at home instead of themselves become such in abroad.But then again,you could tell pretty much from their attitude to the migrants peasants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And you think you can accuse the Chinese of racism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well,they may not target &#8220;Africans&#8221;,but their cops sure beat the shit out of unarmed Tibetans.And their soccer fans are not exactly gentle when they are dealing with foreign teams(Especially Japanese).<br />
We&#8217;ll learn about Chinese attitudes toward immigrants when they start having them at home instead of themselves become such in abroad.But then again,you could tell pretty much from their attitude to the migrants peasants.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulboyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulboyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;After all a black celebrity would need the acceptance of the majority white population in order to be successful in Hollywood.&quot;

Tyler Perry&#039;s &quot;Madea&quot; films have almost no acceptance among white Americans - most remain unaware they even exist - but his recent &quot;Madea Goes to Jail&quot; took $41.1 million in its opening weekend and has now grossed $90 million in six weeks. That makes him a raging success by Hollywood&#039;s standards and ought to send you back to the drawing board with your arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After all a black celebrity would need the acceptance of the majority white population in order to be successful in Hollywood.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tyler Perry&#8217;s &#8220;Madea&#8221; films have almost no acceptance among white Americans &#8211; most remain unaware they even exist &#8211; but his recent &#8220;Madea Goes to Jail&#8221; took $41.1 million in its opening weekend and has now grossed $90 million in six weeks. That makes him a raging success by Hollywood&#8217;s standards and ought to send you back to the drawing board with your arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adamu,

Now you get all defensive when you&#039;re reminded of the racist culture that you belong to. Hypocrites never like being called out on their own hypocrisy. No African has to worry about being killed just for being black in China. Look at America&#039;s butcher cops that shot in the back and killed Oscar Grant while he was handcuffed and laying on his belly for all the world to see. And look at all the New York cops who fired hundreds of rounds at an unarmed black man. And you think you can accuse the Chinese of racism. Look at all the racism from the French towards African immigrants. Or how about the German soccer fans who threw bananas onto the field when their team was playing a team from Africa. What a joke! Your misplaced sense of right and wrong is laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adamu,</p>
<p>Now you get all defensive when you&#8217;re reminded of the racist culture that you belong to. Hypocrites never like being called out on their own hypocrisy. No African has to worry about being killed just for being black in China. Look at America&#8217;s butcher cops that shot in the back and killed Oscar Grant while he was handcuffed and laying on his belly for all the world to see. And look at all the New York cops who fired hundreds of rounds at an unarmed black man. And you think you can accuse the Chinese of racism. Look at all the racism from the French towards African immigrants. Or how about the German soccer fans who threw bananas onto the field when their team was playing a team from Africa. What a joke! Your misplaced sense of right and wrong is laughable.</p>
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