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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/01/03/what-will-the-news-look-like-in-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-318924</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that game show he used to have on Comedy Central where the guest would challenge him on a trivia contest in the last round? I wonder if they left out any questions on  evolutionary science...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that game show he used to have on Comedy Central where the guest would challenge him on a trivia contest in the last round? I wonder if they left out any questions on  evolutionary science&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Stein situation sure is strange... It looks like he is pro-life but also pro-gay rights, a republican supporter who opposes tax breaks for the rich. Quite a grab bag of ideas there. In any case, I hope he knocks the ID stuff off....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Stein situation sure is strange&#8230; It looks like he is pro-life but also pro-gay rights, a republican supporter who opposes tax breaks for the rich. Quite a grab bag of ideas there. In any case, I hope he knocks the ID stuff off&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I saw &quot;Get on the Bus&quot; but I don&#039;t recall that character. But anyway, I&#039;ve seen stuff from an awful lot of conservative American Jews, and I&#039;ve never heard anyone come even close to anti-science nonsense that comes out of Stein. It&#039;s like he&#039;s actually converted to evangelicalism but he&#039;s pretending to still be Jewish to help spread the nonsensical word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I saw &#8220;Get on the Bus&#8221; but I don&#8217;t recall that character. But anyway, I&#8217;ve seen stuff from an awful lot of conservative American Jews, and I&#8217;ve never heard anyone come even close to anti-science nonsense that comes out of Stein. It&#8217;s like he&#8217;s actually converted to evangelicalism but he&#8217;s pretending to still be Jewish to help spread the nonsensical word.</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly! We like the idea of a non-professional complement to journalism. Just not idiots! I also don&#039;t mind conservative or rightwing views as long as they aren&#039;t pumped up by strawman arguments and BS. 

Malkin has used the same arguments for academia - that people out of the club are silenced. But when you look at it, there is a lot of welcoming of the ideas of people without PhDs - many authors and filmmakers are given professorships based on experience and are welcomed into the academy with open arms (although there are some @$$es out there).

&quot;who could do a way better job than this clown.&quot;

Who ARE doing a way better job than this clown. I&#039;ve seen a half dozen reports on feelings in the rocket hit areas of Israel (that is, without even seeking them out), but, it seems, the lowest common denominator of the far right demands Joe the Plumber.

As for Jewish creationists - if you are conservative in the United States, I guess it is easy to get sucked in for the whole package. (BTW, did you ever see Spike Lee&#039;s &quot;Get on the Bus&quot;? - there is a gay black Republican character).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly! We like the idea of a non-professional complement to journalism. Just not idiots! I also don&#8217;t mind conservative or rightwing views as long as they aren&#8217;t pumped up by strawman arguments and BS.</p>
<p>Malkin has used the same arguments for academia &#8211; that people out of the club are silenced. But when you look at it, there is a lot of welcoming of the ideas of people without PhDs &#8211; many authors and filmmakers are given professorships based on experience and are welcomed into the academy with open arms (although there are some @$$es out there).</p>
<p>&#8220;who could do a way better job than this clown.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who <span class="caps">ARE</span> doing a way better job than this clown. I&#8217;ve seen a half dozen reports on feelings in the rocket hit areas of Israel (that is, without even seeking them out), but, it seems, the lowest common denominator of the far right demands Joe the Plumber.</p>
<p>As for Jewish creationists &#8211; if you are conservative in the United States, I guess it is easy to get sucked in for the whole package. (BTW, did you ever see Spike Lee&#8217;s &#8220;Get on the Bus&#8221;? &#8211; there is a gay black Republican character).</p>
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		<title>By: Jade Oc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jade Oc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this bit aboout Joe the Plumber*: &quot;But he thinks he&#039;s, quote, &#039;pretty well protected by God.&#039;&quot;
Reminds me a bit (okay, a lot) of a certain Chinese rebellion not too many centuries ago.... Didn&#039;t work for them either. 

Ben Stein is just slimey. He is a liar, pure and simple. And the last time any of his relatives saw scientists, in the sense he apparently is referring to, telling them what to do was probably when one of them was being prepped for life-saving surgery. Seriously, Ben Stein can not be this stupid and still have a functioning brain stem. 

&quot;Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.”

Compassion and empathy are great, but they have sod-all to do with a love of God. That leads to the Hammer of Witches and other delights. 

*He&#039;s called that as he&#039;ll soon have a lot of lead in him....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this bit aboout Joe the Plumber*: &#8220;But he thinks he&#8217;s, quote, &#8216;pretty well protected by God.&#8217;&#8221;<br />
Reminds me a bit (okay, a lot) of a certain Chinese rebellion not too many centuries ago&#8230;. Didn&#8217;t work for them either.</p>
<p>Ben Stein is just slimey. He is a liar, pure and simple. And the last time any of his relatives saw scientists, in the sense he apparently is referring to, telling them what to do was probably when one of them was being prepped for life-saving surgery. Seriously, Ben Stein can not be this stupid and still have a functioning brain stem.</p>
<p>&#8220;Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Compassion and empathy are great, but they have sod-all to do with a love of God. That leads to the Hammer of Witches and other delights.</p>
<p>*He&#8217;s called that as he&#8217;ll soon have a lot of lead in him&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malkin&#039;s defense of Joe the Plumber is pretty comical. Hardly anyone cares that he&#039;s not a professional-it&#039;s that he clearly doesn&#039;t know anything. Showing some interviews with civilians in the rocket-targeted areas of Israel is a fine idea-but there&#039;s hundreds or thousands of English-speaking journalists and WAY more non-journalists already over there who could do a way better job than this clown.

Ben Stein astounds me. Who knew there were Jewish creationists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malkin&#8217;s defense of Joe the Plumber is pretty comical. Hardly anyone cares that he&#8217;s not a professional-it&#8217;s that he clearly doesn&#8217;t know anything. Showing some interviews with civilians in the rocket-targeted areas of Israel is a fine idea-but there&#8217;s hundreds or thousands of English-speaking journalists and <span class="caps">WAY</span> more non-journalists already over there who could do a way better job than this clown.</p>
<p>Ben Stein astounds me. Who knew there were Jewish creationists?</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20090109/cm_uc_crmmax/op_198640;_ylt=AihOdhttOLdjxbsvk2q9HDr9wxIF

Is this the future?

Of course, Malkin is nuts. What she calls monochrome far left views in the US media strike many people as being centrist at best and the alternative that she calls for is far, far, far right citizen / celebrity amateur journalism (not that I have any problem with airing the Israeli side, but by Joe the Plumber!?). So is the future a public sphere that is completely ghettoized? Or dominated by the far right (because they have more money)?

We have another bad example of this type of thing lately. Ben Stien, in shilling for Creationism, has said -

&quot;When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [i.e. biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that was horrifying beyond words, and that&#039;s where science -- in my opinion, this is just an opinion -- that&#039;s where science leads you... Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.&quot;

So let&#039;s all run screaming from &quot;science&quot;. This is the kind of thing that the right is able to get bankrolled (his film &quot;Expelled&quot;). 

I can&#039;t help but think that while the move to the net is potentially liberating, it could also mean the fall of the last real left bastions that exist. 80% of the NYT going up in smoke is scary.</description>
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<p>Is this the future?</p>
<p>Of course, Malkin is nuts. What she calls monochrome far left views in the US media strike many people as being centrist at best and the alternative that she calls for is far, far, far right citizen / celebrity amateur journalism (not that I have any problem with airing the Israeli side, but by Joe the Plumber!?). So is the future a public sphere that is completely ghettoized? Or dominated by the far right (because they have more money)?</p>
<p>We have another bad example of this type of thing lately. Ben Stien, in shilling for Creationism, has said &#8211;<br />
&#8220;When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [i.e. biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed &#8230; that was horrifying beyond words, and that&#8217;s where science&#8212;in my opinion, this is just an opinion&#8212;that&#8217;s where science leads you&#8230; Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.&#8221;</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s all run screaming from &#8220;science&#8221;. This is the kind of thing that the right is able to get bankrolled (his film &#8220;Expelled&#8221;).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that while the move to the net is potentially liberating, it could also mean the fall of the last real left bastions that exist. 80% of the <span class="caps">NYT</span> going up in smoke is scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont find that piece to be at all grim. While the Times print edition might end (as an IHT subscriber I will be sad), the vision laid out toward the bottom sounds pretty good, and pretty close to Ikeda Nobuo&#039;s idea. 

Basically anything that might wipe the smug grin off of David Gregory&#039;s face would make me happy (watch him on the Daily Show from the other day).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont find that piece to be at all grim. While the Times print edition might end (as an <span class="caps">IHT</span> subscriber I will be sad), the vision laid out toward the bottom sounds pretty good, and pretty close to Ikeda Nobuo&#8217;s idea.</p>
<p>Basically anything that might wipe the smug grin off of David Gregory&#8217;s face would make me happy (watch him on the Daily Show from the other day).</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Common estimates suggest that a Web-driven product could support only 20 percent of the current staff&quot;

Gawd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Common estimates suggest that a Web-driven product could support only 20 percent of the current staff&#8221;</p>
<p>Gawd.</p>
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