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		<title>By: Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men tend to make eye contact with other in the states, whether it&#039;s a big city or small.  They then nod, unless they&#039;re being excessively aggressive.  If you&#039;re not making eye contact, you&#039;ve already self-eliminated from alpha-male competition and are a sally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men tend to make eye contact with other in the states, whether it&#8217;s a big city or small.  They then nod, unless they&#8217;re being excessively aggressive.  If you&#8217;re not making eye contact, you&#8217;ve already self-eliminated from alpha-male competition and are a sally.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The no eye contact rule exists because if I were back in Florida, would I be making eye contact with random people on the street?  No.  So why would I make eye contact with random people here?  

That said, I don&#039;t get on train cars that have other obvious foreigners on them because I don&#039;t want THEM to stare at ME.  

It&#039;s weird how one can spot another foreigner so easily in a crowd of thousands.  I liken it to how dogs can spot another dog from far away but ignore all other people around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The no eye contact rule exists because if I were back in Florida, would I be making eye contact with random people on the street?  No.  So why would I make eye contact with random people here?</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t get on train cars that have other obvious foreigners on them because I don&#8217;t want <span class="caps">THEM</span> to stare at ME.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s weird how one can spot another foreigner so easily in a crowd of thousands.  I liken it to how dogs can spot another dog from far away but ignore all other people around.</p>
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		<title>By: ジェイソン (Jason)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ジェイソン (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the eternal question.  I&#039;ve discussed this in length with quite a few gaijin here in Japan, and we&#039;ve come to pretty much the same conclusions: Caucasians are just weird when they&#039;re in any foreign country :P

Heck, if you ever met me in the street, you&#039;d agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the eternal question.  I&#8217;ve discussed this in length with quite a few gaijin here in Japan, and we&#8217;ve come to pretty much the same conclusions: Caucasians are just weird when they&#8217;re in any foreign country <img src='http://www.mutantfrog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Heck, if you ever met me in the street, you&#8217;d agree.</p>
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		<title>By: www.japansoc.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.japansoc.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mutantfrog » The “Westerners in Japan avoid each other” phenomenon...&lt;/strong&gt;

On the train, walking down the street, sitting in a bar -- why is it that foreigners (okay, White People) go so far out of their way to avoid each other in Japan?Adamu from Mutantfrog takes an alternative approach to try and explain this phenomenon....</description>
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<p>On the train, walking down the street, sitting in a bar&#8212;why is it that foreigners (okay, White People) go so far out of their way to avoid each other in Japan?<br />
Adamu from Mutantfrog takes an alternative approach to try and explain this phenomenon&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece.

I&#039;m baffled by the urgency of white men wanting to own the world.  It seems to me a petty, ridiculous struggle -- yet, we love competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m baffled by the urgency of white men wanting to own the world.  It seems to me a petty, ridiculous struggle&#8212;yet, we love competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Akaaki Kumeri,

I like your comment, but I have to disagree with you. Disclaimer: I can only speak about my own situation and the situations of foreigners I know here, and I am biased towards the foreign business community in downtown Tokyo, so YMMV.

There are interesting and uninteresting foreign people on the train, to be sure, but I really don&#039;t think that every one of us is trying hard to fit into Japanese culture or keep from succumbing to culture shock. 

If you talk with foreign business people or professionals here in Tokyo, I think you&#039;ll find that most of us are concerned with our jobs, hobbies, families, friends, professional organizations, etc. Fitting into Japanese society is low on the priority list, mostly because we are pretty independent and don&#039;t see Japan as the be-all-and-end-all of our careers/lives.

I&#039;m sure my views on entering Japanese society would be different if I was, for example, a JET in Kumamoto or Hokkaido like some of my friends. But even they seem to recognize the futility of trying to assimilate into this culture, or at least don&#039;t see it as an important life objective. 

My point is just that Western foreigners don&#039;t usually come to Japan out of economic desperation and with a dire need to find community, especially not on the train. We&#039;re chill. We come because we are privileged enough to be able to travel internationally, we are interested in learning about Japan to some degree, we think we can make a difference in our careers while we&#039;re here, and ultimately we will go somewhere else when we get bored or dissatisfied with all the BS. Unless you are Alex Kerr or Bill Totten, your insatiable quest to convince Japanese people of your value to society shouldn&#039;t be the glue that binds you together with others.

Let me know if you have other thoughts, and I wish I could understand your comic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Akaaki Kumeri,</p>
<p>I like your comment, but I have to disagree with you. Disclaimer: I can only speak about my own situation and the situations of foreigners I know here, and I am biased towards the foreign business community in downtown Tokyo, so <span class="caps">YMMV</span>.</p>
<p>There are interesting and uninteresting foreign people on the train, to be sure, but I really don&#8217;t think that every one of us is trying hard to fit into Japanese culture or keep from succumbing to culture shock.</p>
<p>If you talk with foreign business people or professionals here in Tokyo, I think you&#8217;ll find that most of us are concerned with our jobs, hobbies, families, friends, professional organizations, etc. Fitting into Japanese society is low on the priority list, mostly because we are pretty independent and don&#8217;t see Japan as the be-all-and-end-all of our careers/lives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure my views on entering Japanese society would be different if I was, for example, a <span class="caps">JET</span> in Kumamoto or Hokkaido like some of my friends. But even they seem to recognize the futility of trying to assimilate into this culture, or at least don&#8217;t see it as an important life objective.</p>
<p>My point is just that Western foreigners don&#8217;t usually come to Japan out of economic desperation and with a dire need to find community, especially not on the train. We&#8217;re chill. We come because we are privileged enough to be able to travel internationally, we are interested in learning about Japan to some degree, we think we can make a difference in our careers while we&#8217;re here, and ultimately we will go somewhere else when we get bored or dissatisfied with all the BS. Unless you are Alex Kerr or Bill Totten, your insatiable quest to convince Japanese people of your value to society shouldn&#8217;t be the glue that binds you together with others.</p>
<p>Let me know if you have other thoughts, and I wish I could understand your comic!</p>
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		<title>By: Jade Oc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jade Oc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;even though they look white, they might be from Europe&quot;
When I was at university, there were often some white people in my class, but they were Russian. So since my Russian is limited to &quot;Hello,&quot; &quot;Goodbye,&quot; &quot;Comrade,&quot; and &quot;You can&#039;t fuck them all,&quot; and their English was not hot, our shared language was Japanese (this also made it a lot easier when talking in the room with Japanese around). I never ever assume a white person is an English speaker. I don&#039;t greet every white person I see either, as (a) I don&#039;t greet every person I see anyway, and (b) they might not speak English, and (c) they may well be a tourist, as I live in a fairly tourist-intensive city (not like Kyoto or Nara, but definitely on the trail these days) and in that case the shared &quot;expat&quot; thing is meaningless. However it does mean that when the odd gaijin does greet me, I&#039;m usually too surprised to respond until he&#039;s past, so he probably thinks I&#039;m a right tosser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;even though they look white, they might be from Europe&#8221;<br />
When I was at university, there were often some white people in my class, but they were Russian. So since my Russian is limited to &#8220;Hello,&#8221; &#8220;Goodbye,&#8221; &#8220;Comrade,&#8221; and &#8220;You can&#8217;t fuck them all,&#8221; and their English was not hot, our shared language was Japanese (this also made it a lot easier when talking in the room with Japanese around). I never ever assume a white person is an English speaker. I don&#8217;t greet every white person I see either, as (a) I don&#8217;t greet every person I see anyway, and (b) they might not speak English, and&#169; they may well be a tourist, as I live in a fairly tourist-intensive city (not like Kyoto or Nara, but definitely on the trail these days) and in that case the shared &#8220;expat&#8221; thing is meaningless. However it does mean that when the odd gaijin does greet me, I&#8217;m usually too surprised to respond until he&#8217;s past, so he probably thinks I&#8217;m a right tosser.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That happened when I was in NY back in the 80&#039;s.There were always three groups.Those who can speak English fluently because they&#039;ve already been there for a few years and those who has their one foot in ESL class and stick with other J-kids,and Ofcourse,Japanese American.

I tended to avoid Japanese while I&#039;m on backpacking trip to South East Asia and Western Europe too.When I was in Thailand in 1989,lots of J-backpackers tended to flock around China town(the notorious Hotel Paradise Palace楽宮.So I went straight to Khao san Road where there were more westerners.But still,there&#039;s always some Japanese backpackers cruising street at night,looking for talking companions at night and if you are reading Chikyu-no-arukikata,they&#039;ll find you and come over to chat.And after few moment you are with them,there&#039;s always that hierarchy thing that related with Japanese language known as Keigo敬語 emerges.And you&#039;ll end up hearing total strangers giving you a free life lessons jsut because the dude is two years old older than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That happened when I was in NY back in the 80&#8217;s.There were always three groups.Those who can speak English fluently because they&#8217;ve already been there for a few years and those who has their one foot in <span class="caps">ESL</span> class and stick with other J-kids,and Ofcourse,Japanese American.</p>
<p>I tended to avoid Japanese while I&#8217;m on backpacking trip to South East Asia and Western Europe too.When I was in Thailand in 1989,lots of J-backpackers tended to flock around China town(the notorious Hotel Paradise Palace楽宮.So I went straight to Khao san Road where there were more westerners.But still,there&#8217;s always some Japanese backpackers cruising street at night,looking for talking companions at night and if you are reading Chikyu-no-arukikata,they&#8217;ll find you and come over to chat.And after few moment you are with them,there&#8217;s always that hierarchy thing that related with Japanese language known as Keigo敬語 emerges.And you&#8217;ll end up hearing total strangers giving you a free life lessons jsut because the dude is two years old older than me.</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of Japanese overseas ignore each other as well. They have the snub down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of Japanese overseas ignore each other as well. They have the snub down.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic Debris Remixes - On Web Culture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonic Debris Remixes - On Web Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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