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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2008/05/22/ma-administration-already-beginning-rectification-of-names/comment-page-1/#comment-278122</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ma&#039;s personal popularity isn&#039;t an issue here,Roy.The logic of KMT holding grounds in public opinion is a lot more important.As you can read in the last paragraph of 
China Post.

&quot;Ma&#039;s predecessor, Chen Shui-bian, took a much softer line on the issue, seeking friendly relations with Japan and toeing an ambiguous line on Taiwan&#039;s claim to the islands.

Actually, the Tiaoyutais are ROC territory from a historical, geographical, and legal point of view. The Ma administration must stand firm on this position, or it will not only disappoint the people of Taiwan, but people in other Chinese communities as well.&quot;

Ma is trying to change the tide of Taiwanese nationalism into Chinese nationalism by using Senkaku issues,of which was a success,I must say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ma&#8217;s personal popularity isn&#8217;t an issue here,Roy.The logic of <span class="caps">KMT</span> holding grounds in public opinion is a lot more important.As you can read in the last paragraph of<br />
China Post.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ma&#8217;s predecessor, Chen Shui-bian, took a much softer line on the issue, seeking friendly relations with Japan and toeing an ambiguous line on Taiwan&#8217;s claim to the islands.</p>
<p>Actually, the Tiaoyutais are <span class="caps">ROC</span> territory from a historical, geographical, and legal point of view. The Ma administration must stand firm on this position, or it will not only disappoint the people of Taiwan, but people in other Chinese communities as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ma is trying to change the tide of Taiwanese nationalism into Chinese nationalism by using Senkaku issues,of which was a success,I must say.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2008/05/22/ma-administration-already-beginning-rectification-of-names/comment-page-1/#comment-278111</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a look at some of the editorials in the English language newspapers from Taiwan- like these two from the generally pro-KMT China Post

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/taiwan%20issues/2008/06/20/161796/Ma-must.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Ma must be firm on Tiaoyutai issue &lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/taiwan%20issues/2008/06/17/161304/Ma-must.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ma must address the nation&lt;/a&gt;

It doesn&#039;t seem to me like Ma has done a good job of making anyone happy with this fiasco. People expect a president to take a stand, and when he said something like &quot;well, it&#039;s the job of lower level officials&quot; to take care of a major international territorial dispute right after assuming office, it hardly inspired the voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at some of the editorials in the English language newspapers from Taiwan- like these two from the generally pro-KMT China Post</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/taiwan%20issues/2008/06/20/161796/Ma-must.htm" rel="nofollow"> Ma must be firm on Tiaoyutai issue </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/taiwan%20issues/2008/06/17/161304/Ma-must.htm" rel="nofollow">Ma must address the nation</a></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem to me like Ma has done a good job of making anyone happy with this fiasco. People expect a president to take a stand, and when he said something like &#8220;well, it&#8217;s the job of lower level officials&#8221; to take care of a major international territorial dispute right after assuming office, it hardly inspired the voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2008/05/22/ma-administration-already-beginning-rectification-of-names/comment-page-1/#comment-277985</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.What I meant to say is some of the current cross-straits ongoing after KMT&#039;s return to power has been getting criticism from greens and KMT was in need to deter this.
Ofcourse the green also claim the Senkakus(except Lee Teng Hui)and with this move the nationalism in Taiwan had now shifted to focus on multiple issues,that is to say Anti-Japanese and Anti Chinese.And KMT can always criticize green which has been taking much more low profile on the issue,not tough enough for Taiwan soverignity,
And Yes.Solidarity with mainland has come up among some of the hardliner in the KMT.Another reason for them to have closer ties with the mainland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.What I meant to say is some of the current cross-straits ongoing after <span class="caps">KMT</span>&#8217;s return to power has been getting criticism from greens and <span class="caps">KMT</span> was in need to deter this.<br />
Ofcourse the green also claim the Senkakus(except Lee Teng Hui)and with this move the nationalism in Taiwan had now shifted to focus on multiple issues,that is to say Anti-Japanese and Anti Chinese.And <span class="caps">KMT</span> can always criticize green which has been taking much more low profile on the issue,not tough enough for Taiwan soverignity,<br />
And Yes.Solidarity with mainland has come up among some of the hardliner in the <span class="caps">KMT</span>.Another reason for them to have closer ties with the mainland.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2008/05/22/ma-administration-already-beginning-rectification-of-names/comment-page-1/#comment-277984</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyway,at least KMT can now bring this up to any criticism of “selling Taiwanese sovereginity”from Greens.&quot;

That&#039;s not totally true, since the Diaoyutai are claimed by both Taiwan and China- except of course the KMT position is still that Taiwan is still in some vague way part of China so from the Chinese side, defending the islands from Japan can just as easily be considered pro-Chinese sovereignty as pro-Taiwan. In fact, I even read a brief mention that there were some sort of protests in China supporting Taiwan&#039;s action against Japan for these islands, although I haven&#039;t tried to find any details yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyway,at least <span class="caps">KMT</span> can now bring this up to any criticism of &#8220;selling Taiwanese sovereginity&#8221;from Greens.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not totally true, since the Diaoyutai are claimed by both Taiwan and China- except of course the <span class="caps">KMT</span> position is still that Taiwan is still in some vague way part of China so from the Chinese side, defending the islands from Japan can just as easily be considered pro-Chinese sovereignty as pro-Taiwan. In fact, I even read a brief mention that there were some sort of protests in China supporting Taiwan&#8217;s action against Japan for these islands, although I haven&#8217;t tried to find any details yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ma was in the U.S because Chiang Ching Kuo wanted educate elite members of KMT in American university.He was also reporting the political acitivities of Taiwanese students at the U.S campus to his superior in KMT.(Ma was the editor in chief of the Taiwanese student newspaper)

&quot;This is why I think people were so annoyed/surprised that he hasn’t been making any statement. &quot;

&quot;People&quot;are annoyed with Ma for not gettting much tougher to the Japanese,No?

Anyway,at least KMT can now bring this up to any criticism of &quot;selling Taiwanese sovereginity&quot;from Greens.
This happened in Hong Kong in 1997 right before the turn over.The democrats in HK used The Senkaku issue to gather more attention from the public and deter the criticism from mainland-connected media that &quot;democrats are un-patriotic for they side with Chris Patten and not Jiang Zemin&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ma was in the U.S because Chiang Ching Kuo wanted educate elite members of <span class="caps">KMT</span> in American university.He was also reporting the political acitivities of Taiwanese students at the U.S campus to his superior in <span class="caps">KMT</span>.(Ma was the editor in chief of the Taiwanese student newspaper)</p>
<p>&#8220;This is why I think people were so annoyed/surprised that he hasn&#8217;t been making any statement. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;People&#8221;are annoyed with Ma for not gettting much tougher to the Japanese,No?</p>
<p>Anyway,at least <span class="caps">KMT</span> can now bring this up to any criticism of &#8220;selling Taiwanese sovereginity&#8221;from Greens.<br />
This happened in Hong Kong in 1997 right before the turn over.The democrats in HK used The Senkaku issue to gather more attention from the public and deter the criticism from mainland-connected media that &#8220;democrats are un-patriotic for they side with Chris Patten and not Jiang Zemin&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2008/05/22/ma-administration-already-beginning-rectification-of-names/comment-page-1/#comment-277931</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t actually know that was Ma&#039;s doctoral thesis, but I did know that in the past he had been very aggressive about the Diaoyutai issue, and had even made statements in the past hinting that war might be possible, like the recent stupid one from the premiere. This is why I think people were so annoyed/surprised that he hasn&#039;t been making any statement. Clearly he&#039;s trying going out of his way to be moderate as president, but will he go so far that he&#039;s just a weakling.

I wonder how big Ma&#039;s KMT scholarship was. He claimed that he got a green card while studying in the US so he could apply for American scholarships or student loans and not because he wanted to live abroad, which was one of the biggest issues in the campaign.

I think the last line of the article is the real substance though-
&quot;　ただ、陳水扁前総統が任命した許氏は政権交代に伴い、近く辞任する予定だった。&quot;
Making that statement when he resigned is just to embarass someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t actually know that was Ma&#8217;s doctoral thesis, but I did know that in the past he had been very aggressive about the Diaoyutai issue, and had even made statements in the past hinting that war might be possible, like the recent stupid one from the premiere. This is why I think people were so annoyed/surprised that he hasn&#8217;t been making any statement. Clearly he&#8217;s trying going out of his way to be moderate as president, but will he go so far that he&#8217;s just a weakling.</p>
<p>I wonder how big Ma&#8217;s <span class="caps">KMT</span> scholarship was. He claimed that he got a green card while studying in the US so he could apply for American scholarships or student loans and not because he wanted to live abroad, which was one of the biggest issues in the campaign.</p>
<p>I think the last line of the article is the real substance though-<br />
&#8220;　ただ、陳水扁前総統が任命した許氏は政権交代に伴い、近く辞任する予定だった。&#8221;<br />
Making that statement when he resigned is just to embarass someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ma actually seems to be taking heat mainly for trying to not get involved at all.&quot;

That seems to be the press coverage in all Japanese media.
But &quot;premire,who is not under contol of the President&#039;s office? The premire of the Executive Yuan is appointed by the president and unlike the DPP days,KMT is also dominant in Legistrative Yuan.So is Minister of Foreign Affiairs.They must have permission from Ma.He is just watching the situation by unleashing his aides and acolytes.

BTW,did you know that Ma Ying-yeou&#039;s doctoral thesis at at Harvard was legal status of Diaoyutai and he went there with scholarship from KMT?

&quot;You don’t see the Chinese or Koreans being talking like this about Japanese diplomatic language.&quot;

How about this.
&quot;許氏は「これ以上の屈辱を受けることはできない」として辞任を決めた。&quot;
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080616-00000086-mai-int

Ofcourse.Koh had been in exile in Japan for 33 years and was the professor in TsudaJyuku Women&#039;s University in Tokyo.He also has colorful friends in Japan.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/world/china/080601/chn0806012150002-n1.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ma actually seems to be taking heat mainly for trying to not get involved at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>That seems to be the press coverage in all Japanese media.<br />
But &#8220;premire,who is not under contol of the President&#8217;s office? The premire of the Executive Yuan is appointed by the president and unlike the <span class="caps">DPP</span> days,KMT is also dominant in Legistrative Yuan.So is Minister of Foreign Affiairs.They must have permission from Ma.He is just watching the situation by unleashing his aides and acolytes.</p>
<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>,did you know that Ma Ying-yeou&#8217;s doctoral thesis at at Harvard was legal status of Diaoyutai and he went there with scholarship from <span class="caps">KMT</span>?</p>
<p>&#8220;You don&#8217;t see the Chinese or Koreans being talking like this about Japanese diplomatic language.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about this.<br />
&#8220;許氏は「これ以上の屈辱を受けることはできない」として辞任を決めた。&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080616-00000086-mai-int" rel="nofollow">http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080616-00000086-mai-int</a></p>
<p>Ofcourse.Koh had been in exile in Japan for 33 years and was the professor in TsudaJyuku Women&#8217;s University in Tokyo.He also has colorful friends in Japan.<br />
<a href="http://sankei.jp.msn.com/world/china/080601/chn0806012150002-n1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://sankei.jp.msn.com/world/china/080601/chn0806012150002-n1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2008/05/22/ma-administration-already-beginning-rectification-of-names/comment-page-1/#comment-277657</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ace- In what way is this Ma showing his true colors? If you look at the more detailed coverage, Ma actually seems to be taking heat mainly for trying to not get involved at all.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2008/06/14/2003414696
&quot;While the Presidential Office issued a statement on Thursday afternoon reaffirming Taiwan’s sovereignty over the Diaoyutais, Ma has remained tight-lipped amid calls for him to clarify his position on the issue.&quot;

Even the severely anti-KMT papers don&#039;t seem to be putting this dispute too much on Ma- but are angry at him for being totally ineffectual at taking care of it. The crazy war statement was made by the Premier, who is not under control of the President&#039;s office. From what I&#039;ve seen, there&#039;s still been no statement from Ma himself on this issue, aside from something vague about &quot;sovereignty&quot; that didn&#039;t address any of the specifics of the incident.

BTW, this quote from the Taiwanese Representative to Japan Koh (許世楷) and Minister of Foreign Affairs Ou (歐鴻鍊) is interesting:

&quot;The Japanese word for “regret” can also mean “apology,” said Koh at a press conference late last night after a 45-minute closed door meeting with Ou.

“In many instances throughout the history, Japan used the word ‘regret’ to express its apology,” he said.

When asked if the ministry would accept such answer, Ou smiled and said: “We can feel Japan’s good will in their response in this matter.”

You don&#039;t see the Chinese or Koreans being talking like this about Japanese diplomatic language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ace- In what way is this Ma showing his true colors? If you look at the more detailed coverage, Ma actually seems to be taking heat mainly for trying to not get involved at all.<br />
<a href="http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2008/06/14/2003414696" rel="nofollow">http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2008/06/14/2003414696</a><br />
&#8220;While the Presidential Office issued a statement on Thursday afternoon reaffirming Taiwan&#8217;s sovereignty over the Diaoyutais, Ma has remained tight-lipped amid calls for him to clarify his position on the issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even the severely anti-KMT papers don&#8217;t seem to be putting this dispute too much on Ma- but are angry at him for being totally ineffectual at taking care of it. The crazy war statement was made by the Premier, who is not under control of the President&#8217;s office. From what I&#8217;ve seen, there&#8217;s still been no statement from Ma himself on this issue, aside from something vague about &#8220;sovereignty&#8221; that didn&#8217;t address any of the specifics of the incident.</p>
<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, this quote from the Taiwanese Representative to Japan Koh (許世楷) and Minister of Foreign Affairs Ou (歐鴻鍊) is interesting:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Japanese word for &#8220;regret&#8221; can also mean &#8220;apology,&#8221; said Koh at a press conference late last night after a 45-minute closed door meeting with Ou.</p>
<p>&#8220;In many instances throughout the history, Japan used the word &#8216;regret&#8217; to express its apology,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>When asked if the ministry would accept such answer, Ou smiled and said: &#8220;We can feel Japan&#8217;s good will in their response in this matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t see the Chinese or Koreans being talking like this about Japanese diplomatic language.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Ma is showing his true colors.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080614-00000130-mai-int</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Ma is showing his true colors.<br />
<a href="http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080614-00000130-mai-int" rel="nofollow">http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080614-00000130-mai-int</a></p>
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