Comments on: Japan’s continuing influx of foreigners and what it means for YOU http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/ Photos, Stories and articles on East Asia Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:54:22 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: More on Foreign Workers in Japan: What is Keidanren After? : Japan Economy News & Blog http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-248569 More on Foreign Workers in Japan: What is Keidanren After? : Japan Economy News & Blog Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:50:33 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-248569 [...] over at the Mutant Frog Travelogue, Adam Richards has posted a recent thoughtful piece on the issue. It’s well worth your [...] [...] over at the Mutant Frog Travelogue, Adam Richards has posted a recent thoughtful piece on the issue. It’s well worth your [...]

]]> By: Aceface http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-211030 Aceface Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:26:07 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-211030 We are not talking about TV and magazines dispatching showers of Korean wave to the public here,for Yon-sama is no zainichi. We are talking about PC related confessional books written by Koreans living in Japan which most are pretty much like "if you read one you read'em all"kind torn and content. We are not talking about TV and magazines dispatching showers of Korean wave to the public here,for Yon-sama is no zainichi.
We are talking about PC related confessional books written by Koreans living in Japan which most are pretty much like “if you read one you read’em all”kind torn and content.

]]> By: Bryce http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-211027 Bryce Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:44:01 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-211027 "would by American" = "would be American" “would by American” = “would be American”

]]> By: Bryce http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-211026 Bryce Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:42:34 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-211026 I wonder what "over-representation" in the media means. Surely TV and magazines and the like aren't supposed to be an accurate reflection of society, especially not in the case of entertainment shows, where much of this "information" about Zainichi and foreigners comes from. Hell, if English speaking countries' TV programming schedules reflected the make up of society, at least 5 percent of the English speaking world would be horny professionals with links to the medical industry and comething like half of those in non-U.S. English speaking countries would by American. In Japan one of the more interesting shows recently featured an autistic dude who worked at a zoo and by all accounts anime are still popular. Is this "over-representation" in the media? I wonder what “over-representation” in the media means. Surely TV and magazines and the like aren’t supposed to be an accurate reflection of society, especially not in the case of entertainment shows, where much of this “information” about Zainichi and foreigners comes from. Hell, if English speaking countries’ TV programming schedules reflected the make up of society, at least 5 percent of the English speaking world would be horny professionals with links to the medical industry and comething like half of those in non-U.S. English speaking countries would by American. In Japan one of the more interesting shows recently featured an autistic dude who worked at a zoo and by all accounts anime are still popular. Is this “over-representation” in the media?

]]> By: Aceface http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-211022 Aceface Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:50:44 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-211022 I agree with MF that life of zainichi is way more interesting than average Japanese Joe.and that along with Japanese progressiveness had made them big in mediasphere.What I said "punching beyond weight"(not over-represented"was meant to be targeting at the guy like Kang Sang Jyung,who keep reminding everyone that he is a forigner and a Korean while on occassion he become one of "us".Not that is bad if we are talking about something not related with politics such like constitution or Korea policy. And Yes.M-Bone,I enjoy a lot of zainichi related fictions and non-fictions,actually I 've wanted to be sorta Korea hand in my work back in the day.Yang So-gil/Sai Youichi tags had made two of Yang's works on Zainichi into films.They are the only people who had drawn"Bad"koreans in their works,something not PC for Japanese auteurs. I agree with MF that life of zainichi is way more interesting than average Japanese Joe.and that along with Japanese progressiveness had made them big in mediasphere.What I said “punching beyond weight”(not over-represented”was meant to be targeting at the guy like Kang Sang Jyung,who keep reminding everyone that he is a forigner and a Korean while on occassion he become one of “us”.Not that is bad if we are talking about something not related with politics such like constitution or Korea policy.

And Yes.M-Bone,I enjoy a lot of zainichi related fictions and non-fictions,actually I ‘ve wanted to be sorta Korea hand in my work back in the day.Yang So-gil/Sai Youichi tags had made two of Yang’s works on Zainichi into films.They are the only people who had drawn”Bad”koreans in their works,something not PC for Japanese auteurs.

]]> By: M-Bone http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-210696 M-Bone Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:12:24 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-210696 Ace - There are also Zainichi stories like Chi to Hone (Blood and Bone) that are FAR from a triumph / defeat cookie cutter work and are more of commentary on human nature that really transcends Zainichi and should, frankly, shock the shi1t out of just about anybody. I really like reading stuff by Zainichi that has nothing to do with Korea and Japan. It shows that the authors are a part of a larger community instead of always talking about where one community ends and another begins. Ace – There are also Zainichi stories like Chi to Hone (Blood and Bone) that are FAR from a triumph / defeat cookie cutter work and are more of commentary on human nature that really transcends Zainichi and should, frankly, shock the shi1t out of just about anybody.

I really like reading stuff by Zainichi that has nothing to do with Korea and Japan. It shows that the authors are a part of a larger community instead of always talking about where one community ends and another begins.

]]> By: Aceface http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-210614 Aceface Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:54:14 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-210614 "So by eating curry in Japan we are supporting Pan-Asianism and anti-colonialism, huh? Do they have Black Dragon Curry, I wonder?" Could not find Black Dragon curry by 5minuites of googling,But. Dragon curry: http://www.dragon-curry.tsuchiura.jp/index.htm Black curry: http://www2.megax.ne.jp/tjd/tanbou038.html “So by eating curry in Japan we are supporting Pan-Asianism and anti-colonialism, huh? Do they have Black Dragon Curry, I wonder?”

Could not find Black Dragon curry by 5minuites of googling,But.
Dragon curry:
http://www.dragon-curry.tsuchiura.jp/index.htm
Black curry:
http://www2.megax.ne.jp/tjd/tanbou038.html

]]> By: Mutantfrog http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-210520 Mutantfrog Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:07:38 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-210520 I actually thought more of the kebab stand guys were Iranian. All of the ones I've spoken to in Kansai and the one I spoke to in Tokyo was, but maybe that was just a random sample that doesn't represent the entire population. Last night, on my way home at about midnight I stopped by a new stand run by the Iranian kebab entrepreneur in Kyoto and found that it is now being run by a round-bellied middle-aged Italian guy named Mario, who has a similarly round-bellied Japanese assistant that he lets make the chicken kebab while Mario teaches him how to make pasta in the semi-outdoors. He's also selling kebab of his home-made Italian sausage, which hang in strips from the ceiling like in a good Italian butcher shop. It definitely seems that Koreans in Japan are over-represented in the media as compared to their population, much as the way some minorities (most famously Jews) are in the US-and I'm sure other countries have their own examples. The media is a market, and clearly there are enough consumers who find stories of the hardships and triumphs/defeats of the minority/immigrant experience more compelling than say, stories about middle class guys from mid size cities who go to college, get a job at a big company, and then retire 30 years later having gone on two short trips to Hawaii in that time. Incidentally, that 0.7% figure isn't really correct, because it includes only Korean citizens that aren't naturalized Japanese or the children of naturalized Japanese, and not ethnic Korean-Japanese citizens. I think there are at least as many ethnic Koreans who are citizens of Japan, and many of them still maintain some association with Korean culture. I actually thought more of the kebab stand guys were Iranian. All of the ones I’ve spoken to in Kansai and the one I spoke to in Tokyo was, but maybe that was just a random sample that doesn’t represent the entire population.

Last night, on my way home at about midnight I stopped by a new stand run by the Iranian kebab entrepreneur in Kyoto and found that it is now being run by a round-bellied middle-aged Italian guy named Mario, who has a similarly round-bellied Japanese assistant that he lets make the chicken kebab while Mario teaches him how to make pasta in the semi-outdoors. He’s also selling kebab of his home-made Italian sausage, which hang in strips from the ceiling like in a good Italian butcher shop.

It definitely seems that Koreans in Japan are over-represented in the media as compared to their population, much as the way some minorities (most famously Jews) are in the US-and I’m sure other countries have their own examples. The media is a market, and clearly there are enough consumers who find stories of the hardships and triumphs/defeats of the minority/immigrant experience more compelling than say, stories about middle class guys from mid size cities who go to college, get a job at a big company, and then retire 30 years later having gone on two short trips to Hawaii in that time.

Incidentally, that 0.7% figure isn’t really correct, because it includes only Korean citizens that aren’t naturalized Japanese or the children of naturalized Japanese, and not ethnic Korean-Japanese citizens. I think there are at least as many ethnic Koreans who are citizens of Japan, and many of them still maintain some association with Korean culture.

]]> By: Jade Oc http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-210513 Jade Oc Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:59:10 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-210513 So by eating curry in Japan we are supporting Pan-Asianism and anti-colonialism, huh? Do they have Black Dragon Curry, I wonder? So by eating curry in Japan we are supporting Pan-Asianism and anti-colonialism, huh? Do they have Black Dragon Curry, I wonder?

]]> By: Aceface http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-210439 Aceface Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:47:51 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/04/19/japans-continuing-influx-of-foreigners-and-what-it-means-for-you/#comment-210439 Yes,But Nakamuraya-Bose factor on curry introuction to Japan suggests immigrant can find stronghold in Japanese society by using his or her cultural identity as social capital and achieve success.Just like Kebab guys from Turkey is doing now. Yes,But Nakamuraya-Bose factor on curry introuction to Japan suggests immigrant can find stronghold in Japanese society by using his or her cultural identity as social capital and achieve success.Just like Kebab guys from Turkey is doing now.

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