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	<title>Comments on: Japan&#8217;s animation industry hollowing out?</title>
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		<title>By: Unknown artist</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/12/26/japans-animation-industry-hollowing-out/comment-page-1/#comment-349799</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I read your tranlslation. Infact i`m fan of anime. It`s really a serious problem going on there /Japanese animation idustry/. 
Outsourcing you meant that. But in my opinion the animes which made in Korea and China are not that good enough to watch. Including the quality and techniques, character design, story is not as good as Japanese animation. The fact that young animators are especially tend to outsource. Because they`re young they are not that good enough to be experienced and they don`t have their own style. When i watch the anime which made in China and Korea i can clearly feel the difference between Japanese anime. They don`t look that smooth and story is not good enough as Japanese, and although techniques and CG&amp;3D are not that good enough. In one words they can`t beat Japanese anime.   In conclusion the animes which made in abroad is just begining and it needs plenty of time to face up with Japanese anime.  Japanese anime industry is much more complicated and more professional and more experienced. Which i mean to say that Japan is the Godfather of anime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I read your tranlslation. Infact i`m fan of anime. It`s really a serious problem going on there /Japanese animation idustry/.<br />
Outsourcing you meant that. But in my opinion the animes which made in Korea and China are not that good enough to watch. Including the quality and techniques, character design, story is not as good as Japanese animation. The fact that young animators are especially tend to outsource. Because they`re young they are not that good enough to be experienced and they don`t have their own style. When i watch the anime which made in China and Korea i can clearly feel the difference between Japanese anime. They don`t look that smooth and story is not good enough as Japanese, and although techniques and CG&#038;3D are not that good enough. In one words they can`t beat Japanese anime.   In conclusion the animes which made in abroad is just begining and it needs plenty of time to face up with Japanese anime.  Japanese anime industry is much more complicated and more professional and more experienced. Which i mean to say that Japan is the Godfather of anime.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/12/26/japans-animation-industry-hollowing-out/comment-page-1/#comment-342281</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Substantial update on this topic in the Japan Times today, showing much of the same trend.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090304f1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Substantial update on this topic in the Japan Times today, showing much of the same trend.</p>
<p><a href="http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090304f1.html" rel="nofollow">http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090304f1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Encore un peu de bruit dans le fansub drama &#124; Bikasuishin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Encore un peu de bruit dans le fansub drama &#124; Bikasuishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 02:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sorties chaque saison. Le manque d&#039;attractivité des métiers de l&#039;animation préfigure des problèmes structurels délicats. La défiance actuelle à l&#039;égard des otaku (et certains excès, peut-être, de la part [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sorties chaque saison. Le manque d&#8217;attractivit&#233; des m&#233;tiers de l&#8217;animation pr&#233;figure des probl&#232;mes structurels d&#233;licats. La d&#233;fiance actuelle &#224; l&#8217;&#233;gard des otaku (et certains exc&#232;s, peut-&#234;tre, de la part [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tokdukun</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokdukun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 08:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;ve been watching anime since last year, so I still consider myself an anime newbie. Bt aside from that, I&#039;m a keen petrolhead, that is, a car enthusiast.

You see the same kind of things happening in the car industry today. You won&#039;t be surprised anymore if you test drive a car, and then you go to another showroom to test drive another car of different brand and discover they share the same parts, the same engine, gearbox, dashboard etc. Cars today are no longer a display of man&#039;s pride in building the greatest machine an average Joe like us can afford anymore. It has become a white good, like fridges, washing machines, microwave ovens and toasters. There&#039;s no soul, no passion in making them because you want to make them great, but because you want to make money with it. And if any carmakers out there who don&#039;t follow the rules, they&#039;re pretty much as good as dead (think British cars, is MINI, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Land Rover, Rover still a British?) or in critical mode (think Alfa Romeo, they make beautiful bt unreliable cars), just waiting for them to declare themselves bankrupt.

Now Toyota has just overtake General Motors (US carmaker currently suffering billions of loss) for the no.1 title of the best selling car in the world, bt just look at their cars. There&#039;s hardly any trace of humanity in it, in stark contrast if you just take any random European car, particularly the Italians. I guess the saying &quot;Too Much Pride Kills a Man&quot; applies today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;ve been watching anime since last year, so I still consider myself an anime newbie. Bt aside from that, I&#8217;m a keen petrolhead, that is, a car enthusiast.</p>
<p>You see the same kind of things happening in the car industry today. You won&#8217;t be surprised anymore if you test drive a car, and then you go to another showroom to test drive another car of different brand and discover they share the same parts, the same engine, gearbox, dashboard etc. Cars today are no longer a display of man&#8217;s pride in building the greatest machine an average Joe like us can afford anymore. It has become a white good, like fridges, washing machines, microwave ovens and toasters. There&#8217;s no soul, no passion in making them because you want to make them great, but because you want to make money with it. And if any carmakers out there who don&#8217;t follow the rules, they&#8217;re pretty much as good as dead (think British cars, is <span class="caps">MINI</span>, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Land Rover, Rover still a British?) or in critical mode (think Alfa Romeo, they make beautiful bt unreliable cars), just waiting for them to declare themselves bankrupt.</p>
<p>Now Toyota has just overtake General Motors (US carmaker currently suffering billions of loss) for the no.1 title of the best selling car in the world, bt just look at their cars. There&#8217;s hardly any trace of humanity in it, in stark contrast if you just take any random European car, particularly the Italians. I guess the saying &#8220;Too Much Pride Kills a Man&#8221; applies today.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps.
I was actually thinking about Anime creditation scheme,the one that enables continued creation of uniquely Japanese animation,by REAL Japanese hands.
But looks like you have influenced me to join the quality-first-nationality-second school.

I Like your illustrations,Egypt Urnash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps.<br />
I was actually thinking about Anime creditation scheme,the one that enables continued creation of uniquely Japanese animation,by <span class="caps">REAL </span>Japanese hands.<br />
But looks like you have influenced me to join the quality-first-nationality-second school.</p>
<p>I Like your illustrations,Egypt Urnash.</p>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Egypt Urnash was being especially rude. (incidentally, if that&#039;s your real name-awesome, you could be an anime character)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Egypt Urnash was being especially rude. (incidentally, if that&#8217;s your real name-awesome, you could be an anime character)</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/12/26/japans-animation-industry-hollowing-out/comment-page-1/#comment-100248</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve come to the wrong thread, Egypt Urnash.
Everyone is waiting for you at Fuck Zapan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve come to the wrong thread, Egypt Urnash.<br />
Everyone is waiting for you at Fuck Zapan!</p>
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		<title>By: Egypt Urnash</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/12/26/japans-animation-industry-hollowing-out/comment-page-1/#comment-100214</link>
		<dc:creator>Egypt Urnash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What goes around comes around. Back in the late sixties and early seventies the American animation industry started jobbing stuff out to Japan, and other points in the Far East. How much animation is produced in the States now? Only features and commercials are actually animated here, for the most part. &quot;Hollowed out&quot; is an apt description.

Given that the Eastern animators sucked all the entry jobs out of American animation when the bottom line gained control of the medium, I can&#039;t say I&#039;ll shed that many tears for the same thing happening to them. Good luck, Young Japanese Animator Hopefuls of the world. Welcome to the same hell an American cartoonist like me grew up in.

So will the Japanese animation industry follow the same path the American one did, twenty years ago? We&#039;ll see. Maybe they&#039;ll follow the path Canada has, of tax subsidies to domestic productions, enabling the continued creation of uniquely Japanese animation, by Japanese hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What goes around comes around. Back in the late sixties and early seventies the American animation industry started jobbing stuff out to Japan, and other points in the Far East. How much animation is produced in the States now? Only features and commercials are actually animated here, for the most part. &#8220;Hollowed out&#8221; is an apt description.</p>
<p>Given that the Eastern animators sucked all the entry jobs out of American animation when the bottom line gained control of the medium, I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ll shed that many tears for the same thing happening to them. Good luck, Young Japanese Animator Hopefuls of the world. Welcome to the same hell an American cartoonist like me grew up in.</p>
<p>So will the Japanese animation industry follow the same path the American one did, twenty years ago? We&#8217;ll see. Maybe they&#8217;ll follow the path Canada has, of tax subsidies to domestic productions, enabling the continued creation of uniquely Japanese animation, by Japanese hands.</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck and make sure that you drop by here from time to time and jump in on any anime topics (or anything else). Is it just me, or does this blog seem to attract some very well informed and thoughtful people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck and make sure that you drop by here from time to time and jump in on any anime topics (or anything else). Is it just me, or does this blog seem to attract some very well informed and thoughtful people?</p>
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		<title>By: LainEverliving</title>
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		<dc:creator>LainEverliving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 05:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Happy New Year to you as well!

Personally, I don&#039;t want to see any companies go out of business. This may unfortunately happen if the industry does indeed suffer hard times, but in terms of shaking things up, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the way. I know that there haven&#039;t been a lot of &#039;Nadia&#039; level shows lately, but that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that companies have to go belly up for some more to appear (although, &#039;Nadia&#039; may not have been nearly as good had NHK not been riding Gainax into the ground during the worst days of the most recent Japanese recesssion...).

Anyway though, while Ghibli may be doing what they should, most of the other companies are not. And, Ghibli is not enough to sustain the whole industry. Once you get trained at Ghibli, you&#039;re not likely to leave (unlike most other companies, where people bounce around). So, it&#039;ll be up to companies like Sunrise, Bones, Gainax, Madhouse, and Gonzo to do that as well. A few of them (Bones, Madhouse) have done a good job. Others have not. It isn&#039;t so much that we&#039;ve found our crisis mode now... it&#039;s more like that the crisis is on the horizon, but is visible for those who are looking closely (maybe too closely, I&#039;m sure you would say).

Innovative product, as you call it, comes from new ideas running up against old techniques. Gainax proved that one again and again when the &#039;otaku wave&#039; penetrated and somehow remade the market. Some say that Shinkai is doing that now, although I think it&#039;s still too soon to say. Personally, I would like to hope that the next innovative shows will come from me... or people like me, at any rate, who&#039;ve come to Japan because that is the only country in the world that will make ideas like mine. And actually, based on what I&#039;ve heard from Madhouse, it seems that making shows based on more original ideas, not spawned from manga, and developed with an international audience in mind (and perhaps an international production staff) is what the future holds. So, I think if you keep watching, you might be surprised. You might even be pleasantly surprised. I do sincerely think that the anime business can be improved, even saved, by an influx of foreign talents who are firmly integrated (not segregated, mind you) from the production process and in particular the sphere of influence at the studio. And, I also think that seeing people who are currently involved in other types of creative experiment (graphic artists, doujinshi-ka, novel authors) cross over into the anime world will bring a lot of new ideas and excitement. Even with my worries about outsourcing, I&#039;m expecting great things in that regard at least.

As far as what kinds of shows I would like to make... I think you would be surprised (pleasantly, even) by the kinds of shakeups I would like to provide. Although, I hadn&#039;t yet considered doing a show about the animators... that might be a good direction to take my writing next. If everything for me works out, please do look for my credit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Happy New Year to you as well!</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t want to see any companies go out of business. This may unfortunately happen if the industry does indeed suffer hard times, but in terms of shaking things up, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the way. I know that there haven&#8217;t been a lot of &#8216;Nadia&#8217; level shows lately, but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that companies have to go belly up for some more to appear (although, &#8216;Nadia&#8217; may not have been nearly as good had <span class="caps">NHK</span> not been riding Gainax into the ground during the worst days of the most recent Japanese recesssion&#8230;).</p>
<p>Anyway though, while Ghibli may be doing what they should, most of the other companies are not. And, Ghibli is not enough to sustain the whole industry. Once you get trained at Ghibli, you&#8217;re not likely to leave (unlike most other companies, where people bounce around). So, it&#8217;ll be up to companies like Sunrise, Bones, Gainax, Madhouse, and Gonzo to do that as well. A few of them (Bones, Madhouse) have done a good job. Others have not. It isn&#8217;t so much that we&#8217;ve found our crisis mode now&#8230; it&#8217;s more like that the crisis is on the horizon, but is visible for those who are looking closely (maybe too closely, I&#8217;m sure you would say).</p>
<p>Innovative product, as you call it, comes from new ideas running up against old techniques. Gainax proved that one again and again when the &#8216;otaku wave&#8217; penetrated and somehow remade the market. Some say that Shinkai is doing that now, although I think it&#8217;s still too soon to say. Personally, I would like to hope that the next innovative shows will come from me&#8230; or people like me, at any rate, who&#8217;ve come to Japan because that is the only country in the world that will make ideas like mine. And actually, based on what I&#8217;ve heard from Madhouse, it seems that making shows based on more original ideas, not spawned from manga, and developed with an international audience in mind (and perhaps an international production staff) is what the future holds. So, I think if you keep watching, you might be surprised. You might even be pleasantly surprised. I do sincerely think that the anime business can be improved, even saved, by an influx of foreign talents who are firmly integrated (not segregated, mind you) from the production process and in particular the sphere of influence at the studio. And, I also think that seeing people who are currently involved in other types of creative experiment (graphic artists, doujinshi-ka, novel authors) cross over into the anime world will bring a lot of new ideas and excitement. Even with my worries about outsourcing, I&#8217;m expecting great things in that regard at least.</p>
<p>As far as what kinds of shows I would like to make&#8230; I think you would be surprised (pleasantly, even) by the kinds of shakeups I would like to provide. Although, I hadn&#8217;t yet considered doing a show about the animators&#8230; that might be a good direction to take my writing next. If everything for me works out, please do look for my credit!</p>
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