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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/10/20/allow-japanese-nukes/comment-page-1/#comment-75010</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read similar analysis of the North Korea situation from both the Americans on both the left and the right and they all mischaracterize both the Japanese willingness to procure nuclear arms and the reasons for South Koreans opposition to sanctions against the North.

I agree that the Japanese poster that was quoted was a little over the top but I agree that the amount of opposition to any move in that direction would be massive and possibly country changing. I think Japan is decades overdue for a major shakeup to get people interested in politics and get people interested in taking advantage of their enfranchisement before they turn 50.

The major reasons that America has pushed for increased militarization of Japan in the past has been a very pragmatic stance economically. Defense spending is a hugely wasteful sector in any economy (it&#039;s generally a state enforced monopoly so there&#039;s no competition to discourage massive bilking of government funds) and while America was spending massive amount on their cold war military they couldn&#039;t compete with the rapidly developing economy in post-war Japan. This was only exacerbated by the major conflicts pos-tWW2 (Korea, Vietnam) and the countless minor ones (see pretty much all of South and Central America from WW2 to present, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read similar analysis of the North Korea situation from both the Americans on both the left and the right and they all mischaracterize both the Japanese willingness to procure nuclear arms and the reasons for South Koreans opposition to sanctions against the North.</p>
<p>I agree that the Japanese poster that was quoted was a little over the top but I agree that the amount of opposition to any move in that direction would be massive and possibly country changing. I think Japan is decades overdue for a major shakeup to get people interested in politics and get people interested in taking advantage of their enfranchisement before they turn 50.</p>
<p>The major reasons that America has pushed for increased militarization of Japan in the past has been a very pragmatic stance economically. Defense spending is a hugely wasteful sector in any economy (it&#8217;s generally a state enforced monopoly so there&#8217;s no competition to discourage massive bilking of government funds) and while America was spending massive amount on their cold war military they couldn&#8217;t compete with the rapidly developing economy in post-war Japan. This was only exacerbated by the major conflicts pos-tWW2 (Korea, Vietnam) and the countless minor ones (see pretty much all of South and Central America from <span class="caps">WW2</span> to present, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Japan: allow Japanese nukes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Japan: allow Japanese nukes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mutantfrog comments on the idea and argument on Washington Post that the US needs to allow Japan to arm themselves with nuclear weapons to protect against North Korea: I’m frankly surprised at how bad his reasoning is in this column, how much it sounds like the writing of an enthusiastic but narrowly informed freshman in Poly-sci class. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mutantfrog comments on the idea and argument on Washington Post that the US needs to allow Japan to arm themselves with nuclear weapons to protect against North Korea: I&#8217;m frankly surprised at how bad his reasoning is in this column, how much it sounds like the writing of an enthusiastic but narrowly informed freshman in Poly-sci class. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yellowpeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellowpeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good blog! When I visited here one or two years ago, I thought that this blog was full of prejudice on Japan.  But look at the detailed and  sharp observations of yours now.  Looks like &quot;I&quot; had prejudice on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good blog! When I visited here one or two years ago, I thought that this blog was full of prejudice on Japan.  But look at the detailed and  sharp observations of yours now.  Looks like &#8220;I&#8221; had prejudice on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standard western reporting I&#039;m afraid.

Amongst the few &quot;Japan cliches&quot;, Japanese politeness, World War II imagery, that are de rigeur for all such writing, Krauthammer&#039;s thesis is hardly new. That Japan is going to/should go nuclear has been a constant refrain from western journalists and international relations scholars of the realist persuasion since the mid sixties. The most recent &quot;reputable&quot; academic predictions in this vein came from Kenneth Waltz, the granddaddy of neo-realism, in the 1990s and Mearsheimer a couple of years ago. 
Most people studying the post-Cold War security environment thought these two were on crack.

I suspect in a few years we&#039;ll look on this &quot;Japan is going nuclear&quot; debate and have a bit of a chuckle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standard western reporting I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>Amongst the few &#8220;Japan cliches&#8221;, Japanese politeness, World War II imagery, that are de rigeur for all such writing, Krauthammer&#8217;s thesis is hardly new. That Japan is going to/should go nuclear has been a constant refrain from western journalists and international relations scholars of the realist persuasion since the mid sixties. The most recent &#8220;reputable&#8221; academic predictions in this vein came from Kenneth Waltz, the granddaddy of neo-realism, in the 1990s and Mearsheimer a couple of years ago.<br />
Most people studying the post-Cold War security environment thought these two were on crack.</p>
<p>I suspect in a few years we&#8217;ll look on this &#8220;Japan is going nuclear&#8221; debate and have a bit of a chuckle.</p>
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		<title>By: sunbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you were too nice to call Krauthammer &quot;silly&quot;. it is idiotic.

if i were to apply the logic of france or china or paki-india, i would rather argue for the denuclearization of all these countries.

if one looks at this assuming the interests of an average japanese citizen, the defense treaty with US is more effective (as strategic deterrant) than if japan were to develop its own nuke (in that case, the US guarantee might have gone).
in addition, there is the analogy that if you (make it known that you) own a gun at home it is more likely the thieve would carry a gun when robbing you as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you were too nice to call Krauthammer &#8220;silly&#8221;. it is idiotic.</p>
<p>if i were to apply the logic of france or china or paki-india, i would rather argue for the denuclearization of all these countries.</p>
<p>if one looks at this assuming the interests of an average japanese citizen, the defense treaty with US is more effective (as strategic deterrant) than if japan were to develop its own nuke (in that case, the US guarantee might have gone).<br />
in addition, there is the analogy that if you (make it known that you) own a gun at home it is more likely the thieve would carry a gun when robbing you as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I should have said &quot;more than a token military&quot; instead of &quot;even a token military.&quot;

They did have a moderate number of people in the proto-SDF at that time, but spending was very minimal. As it says, they were relying on surplus equipment, and only really equipped for basic defence operations. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/jda.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a better basic article about the SDF history and capabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I should have said &#8220;more than a token military&#8221; instead of &#8220;even a token military.&#8221;</p>
<p>They did have a moderate number of people in the proto-SDF at that time, but spending was very minimal. As it says, they were relying on surplus equipment, and only really equipped for basic defence operations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/jda.htm" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a better basic article about the <span class="caps">SDF</span> history and capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Japan refused to have even a token military for many years, using the pacifist constitution as an excuse to keep from spending any national resources, capital or human, on military or weapons-a policy that was partly responsible for the country’s fantastic industrial development.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not quite &quot;many years.&quot; Here&#039;s the background:&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1950, following the outbreak of the Korean War, the U.S. 24th Infantry Division was pulled out of Japan and sent to fight on the front lines in Korea, leaving Japan without any armed protection. MacArthur ordered the creation of a 75,000-strong National Police Reserve (警察予備隊, Keisatsu yobitai) to maintain order in Japan and repel any possible invasion from outside. The NPR was organized by United States Army Col. Frank Kowalski (later a U.S. congressman) using Army surplus equipment. To avoid possible constitutional violations, military items were given civilian names: tanks, for instance, were named &quot;special vehicles.&quot; Shigesaburo Suzuki, a leader of the Japan Socialist Party, brought suit in the Supreme Court of Japan to have the NPR declared unconstitutional: however, his case was dismissed by the Grand Bench for lack of standing.

On August 1, 1952, a new National Safety Agency (保安庁, Hoancho) was formed to supervise the NPR and its maritime component. The new agency was directly headed by Prime Minister Shigeru Yoshida. Yoshida supported its constitutionality: although he stated in a 1952 Diet committee session that &quot;to maintain war potential, even for the purpose of self-defense, [would] necessitate revision of the Constitution,&quot; he later responded to the JSP&#039;s constitutionality claims by stating that the NSF had no true war potential in the modern era. In 1954, the National Safety Agency became the Japan Defense Agency, and the National Police Reserve became the Japan Self-Defense Forces.&lt;/blockquote&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9_of_the_Constitution_of_Japan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
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<blockquote>Japan refused to have even a token military for many years, using the pacifist constitution as an excuse to keep from spending any national resources, capital or human, on military or weapons-a policy that was partly responsible for the country&#8217;s fantastic industrial development.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not quite &#8220;many years.&#8221; Here&#8217;s the background:<br />
<blockquote>In 1950, following the outbreak of the Korean War, the U.S. 24th Infantry Division was pulled out of Japan and sent to fight on the front lines in Korea, leaving Japan without any armed protection. MacArthur ordered the creation of a 75,000-strong National Police Reserve (警察予備隊, Keisatsu yobitai) to maintain order in Japan and repel any possible invasion from outside. The <span class="caps">NPR</span> was organized by United States Army Col. Frank Kowalski (later a U.S. congressman) using Army surplus equipment. To avoid possible constitutional violations, military items were given civilian names: tanks, for instance, were named &#8220;special vehicles.&#8221; Shigesaburo Suzuki, a leader of the Japan Socialist Party, brought suit in the Supreme Court of Japan to have the <span class="caps">NPR</span> declared unconstitutional: however, his case was dismissed by the Grand Bench for lack of standing.</p></blockquote>
<p>On August 1, 1952, a new National Safety Agency (保安庁, Hoancho) was formed to supervise the <span class="caps">NPR</span> and its maritime component. The new agency was directly headed by Prime Minister Shigeru Yoshida. Yoshida supported its constitutionality: although he stated in a 1952 Diet committee session that &#8220;to maintain war potential, even for the purpose of self-defense, [would] necessitate revision of the Constitution,&#8221; he later responded to the <span class="caps">JSP</span>&#8217;s constitutionality claims by stating that the <span class="caps">NSF</span> had no true war potential in the modern era. In 1954, the National Safety Agency became the Japan Defense Agency, and the National Police Reserve became the Japan Self-Defense Forces.(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9_of_the_Constitution_of_Japan" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, it&#039;s a ridiculous argument. But things like this have a strategic significance, just like the recent &quot;misstatements&quot; by government officials saying that there should be &quot;debate&quot; on Japan having a nuclear program. These small statements matter, and if an important (if loopy) columnist for a major newspaper backs up these claims with some sort of argument, the discussion starts to take hold a little bit while nothing concrete has actually been done. Japan does this shit all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it&#8217;s a ridiculous argument. But things like this have a strategic significance, just like the recent &#8220;misstatements&#8221; by government officials saying that there should be &#8220;debate&#8221; on Japan having a nuclear program. These small statements matter, and if an important (if loopy) columnist for a major newspaper backs up these claims with some sort of argument, the discussion starts to take hold a little bit while nothing concrete has actually been done. Japan does this shit all the time.</p>
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