Comments on: 2nd hand electronics sales will NOT soon be illegal in Japan http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/ Photos, Stories and articles on East Asia Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:26:44 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: vintageelectronics.check4cheap.com » Blog Archive http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-240223 vintageelectronics.check4cheap.com » Blog Archive Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:51:56 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-240223 [...] Mutantfrog Travelogue » Blog Archive » 2nd hand electronics sales Notice they check if it functions safely at 1000 volts, well the electronics of a computer generally also seem to be claiming that all vintage electronics Living in Tokyo (Not So) Not So Cheap (any [...] [...] Mutantfrog Travelogue » Blog Archive » 2nd hand electronics sales Notice they check if it functions safely at 1000 volts, well the electronics of a computer generally also seem to be claiming that all vintage electronics Living in Tokyo (Not So) Not So Cheap (any [...]

]]> By: jay http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-66764 jay Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:49:07 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-66764 I was thinking about going to japan to buy some electronics. Does anybody know how cheao are electronics and clothing in japan compared to the US. If so can you please email me at lawarrior2003@yahoo.com with some info as well as some sites or anything that could help. Thanks in advance I was thinking about going to japan to buy some electronics. Does anybody know how cheao are electronics and clothing in japan compared to the US. If so can you please email me at lawarrior2003@yahoo.com with some info as well as some sites or anything that could help.
Thanks in advance

]]> By: Hardware » 2nd hand electronic sales will NOT be made illegal in Japan. http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-63871 Hardware » 2nd hand electronic sales will NOT be made illegal in Japan. Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:10:11 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-63871 [...] Don’t worry, you’ll still be able to buy that old Famicom.read more | digg story [...] [...] Don’t worry, you’ll still be able to buy that old Famicom.read more | digg story [...]

]]> By: Adamu http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-47367 Adamu Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:05:00 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-47367 Keep it down - people are trying to sleep! Keep it down – people are trying to sleep!

]]> By: aji http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-47320 aji Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:11:54 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-47320 DEAR SIR. THROUGH THE INTENSIVE BUSINESS RESEARCH,WE HAVE COME TO KNOW YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,BEST KNOWN TO US THAT YOU ARE IN THE POSITION AS TO EXPORT AND SUPPLY US THE ABOVE MENTIONED PRODUCTS. WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, TO INTRODUCE OUR COMPANY TO YOU,AS ONE OF THE LEADING IMPORTERS AND MARKETERS OF THE PRODUCTS,WHICH WE ARE SEEKING FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF TRADING TOGETHER WITH YOU,WHILE HOPING THAT,YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO OUR PROPOSAL. MEANWHILE,TO GIVES US MORE IDEAL ON YOUR PRODUCTS,SUCH AS FARM TRACTORS,ELECTRONICS,CELL PHONES,LAPTOPS,DIGITAL CAMERA,ETC, SHALL WE HAVE YOUR CATALOUDGE,OR ANY OTHER THINGS, TO ENABLE US SELECT AND CONFIRM OUR BULK ORDERS,THOUGH,WE ARE FULLY PREPARE TO PROMOTE YR INTREST IN NIGERIA MARKET,AND ASSURED YOU OF OUR MAXIMMUM CO-OPERATION TO ENHANCE THE PROGRESSIVELY WITH THE BUSINESS WITH YOU,UNLESS OR OTHERWISE YOU INSERT YOUR MAXIMUM CO-OPERATION AND YOUR MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED.AND WE FIRMLY BELEIVED THAT THE FIRST COMMUNICATION WITH YOU WOULD LEAD BOTH OF US TO MUTUAL AND GOOD BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP. DEAR SIR.
THROUGH THE INTENSIVE BUSINESS RESEARCH,WE HAVE COME
TO KNOW YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,BEST KNOWN TO US THAT
YOU ARE IN THE POSITION AS TO EXPORT AND SUPPLY US THE
ABOVE MENTIONED PRODUCTS.
WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, TO INTRODUCE OUR COMPANY TO
YOU,AS ONE OF THE LEADING IMPORTERS AND MARKETERS OF
THE PRODUCTS,WHICH WE ARE SEEKING FOR THE POSSIBILITY
OF TRADING TOGETHER WITH YOU,WHILE HOPING THAT,YOU
WILL NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO OUR PROPOSAL.
MEANWHILE,TO GIVES US MORE IDEAL ON YOUR
PRODUCTS,SUCH AS FARM TRACTORS,ELECTRONICS,CELL PHONES,LAPTOPS,DIGITAL CAMERA,ETC, SHALL WE HAVE YOUR CATALOUDGE,OR ANY OTHER THINGS,
TO ENABLE US SELECT AND CONFIRM OUR BULK
ORDERS,THOUGH,WE ARE FULLY PREPARE TO PROMOTE YR
INTREST IN NIGERIA MARKET,AND ASSURED YOU OF OUR
MAXIMMUM CO-OPERATION TO ENHANCE THE PROGRESSIVELY
WITH THE BUSINESS WITH YOU,UNLESS OR OTHERWISE YOU
INSERT YOUR MAXIMUM CO-OPERATION AND YOUR MUTUAL
UNDERSTANDING WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED.AND WE FIRMLY
BELEIVED THAT THE FIRST COMMUNICATION WITH YOU WOULD
LEAD BOTH OF US TO MUTUAL AND GOOD BUSINESS
RELATIONSHIP.

]]> By: parol http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-36283 parol Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:15:29 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-36283 Kjempe kuuuul hjemmeside du har. Kjempe kuuuul hjemmeside du har.

]]> By: copy this blog » On Japan, the culture of used in http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-34818 copy this blog » On Japan, the culture of used in Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:53:54 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-34818 [...] The used market is also interesting. My wife and I have been very interested in Japan and Japanese culture for some time- it’s how we met, and she even lived there for a year through the JET program. That was a great experience, and we’ve both been part of various Japanese lists for many many years. I got to visit her when she was there for about a month. And in our limited experience, confirmed by some of our Japanese friends, the used market in Japan is very different from the used market in the US. Used materials are valued differently. I’m not quite sure how differently, but I can say that since we are perfectly happy with used materials we came back with suitcases and boxes and boxes of manga, all dirt cheap, because people didn’t really buy that particular item all that often in her area. The used market did exist, but it wasn’t quite the same. To some extent, it’s been explained to me that  this is partly the result of the good economy Japan had some time ago- when the economy had a downturn, the used market started gaining strength again. That makes sense to me, but at some point I’ll need to actually do some research in the area. ^_^ I’m sure Holly will correct me somehow if she ever takes a look at this as well. ^_- I’ve been seeing various stories about the electrical applicances in Japan recently, first on Japanese-centric tech sites, then Engadget, then on Game Politics, and most recently on BoingBoing. I commented elsewhere, but I wanted to note that this isn’t really a new law or a total surprise- even the link from BoingBoing with the English text of the law shows that the law was passed in 2001- it’s the list of items that would be affected by the law that’s new. Mutant Frog probably has the best links and description about this situation, which isn’t quite as dire as people thought. I have a decided “eh” feeling about the subject- the law seems to have passed more as a consumer safety issue rather than a handout to corporate greed. Slashdot has a pretty good discussion on the Japanse law, in which commentors note that the consumer safety issues are real (in that electronics that don’t meet those standards could kill you), and that many other places have passed similar laws (like the EU). To some extent, there’s a similar situation with automobiles in Japan. The older a car is, the more expensive it is to get it insured and pay for additional fees that are mandatory with cars, which include periodic checks (shaken). The older the vehicle is, the more shaken is, and these are not insignificant costs.  That being said, their old cars tend to run really well. ^_^ [...] [...] The used market is also interesting. My wife and I have been very interested in Japan and Japanese culture for some time- it’s how we met, and she even lived there for a year through the JET program. That was a great experience, and we’ve both been part of various Japanese lists for many many years. I got to visit her when she was there for about a month. And in our limited experience, confirmed by some of our Japanese friends, the used market in Japan is very different from the used market in the US. Used materials are valued differently. I’m not quite sure how differently, but I can say that since we are perfectly happy with used materials we came back with suitcases and boxes and boxes of manga, all dirt cheap, because people didn’t really buy that particular item all that often in her area. The used market did exist, but it wasn’t quite the same. To some extent, it’s been explained to me that  this is partly the result of the good economy Japan had some time ago- when the economy had a downturn, the used market started gaining strength again. That makes sense to me, but at some point I’ll need to actually do some research in the area. _ I’m sure Holly will correct me somehow if she ever takes a look at this as well. _- I’ve been seeing various stories about the electrical applicances in Japan recently, first on Japanese-centric tech sites, then Engadget, then on Game Politics, and most recently on BoingBoing. I commented elsewhere, but I wanted to note that this isn’t really a new law or a total surprise- even the link from BoingBoing with the English text of the law shows that the law was passed in 2001- it’s the list of items that would be affected by the law that’s new. Mutant Frog probably has the best links and description about this situation, which isn’t quite as dire as people thought. I have a decided “eh” feeling about the subject- the law seems to have passed more as a consumer safety issue rather than a handout to corporate greed. Slashdot has a pretty good discussion on the Japanse law, in which commentors note that the consumer safety issues are real (in that electronics that don’t meet those standards could kill you), and that many other places have passed similar laws (like the EU). To some extent, there’s a similar situation with automobiles in Japan. The older a car is, the more expensive it is to get it insured and pay for additional fees that are mandatory with cars, which include periodic checks (shaken). The older the vehicle is, the more shaken is, and these are not insignificant costs.  That being said, their old cars tend to run really well. _^ [...]

]]> By: Mutant Frog Travelogue » Blog Archive » Another PSE Update - Asahi Apologistic in semi-anonymous column http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-34764 Mutant Frog Travelogue » Blog Archive » Another PSE Update - Asahi Apologistic in semi-anonymous column Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:33:32 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-34764 [...] In response to massive protest (including a petition drive with 75,000 signatures), the government has compromised to weaken the abonimable PSE Law (previous posts on MF here, here, and here) to exempt vintage musical instruments and allow dealers to perform the required electrical safety tests themselves. The govt even intends to establish government-sponsored testing centers to facilitate implementation of the law. Furthermore, they have said that conducting the PSE test will not open the seller to liability for the product’s electrical safety. (Source: Nikkei March 21 Morning Edition – not online yet). Unfortunately, the government has only decided to exempt some products from the law etc, not exactly the acknowldgement of antique electronics sales that the Synthesizer Programmer Assoc. wanted. [...] [...] In response to massive protest (including a petition drive with 75,000 signatures), the government has compromised to weaken the abonimable PSE Law (previous posts on MF here, here, and here) to exempt vintage musical instruments and allow dealers to perform the required electrical safety tests themselves. The govt even intends to establish government-sponsored testing centers to facilitate implementation of the law. Furthermore, they have said that conducting the PSE test will not open the seller to liability for the product’s electrical safety. (Source: Nikkei March 21 Morning Edition – not online yet). Unfortunately, the government has only decided to exempt some products from the law etc, not exactly the acknowldgement of antique electronics sales that the Synthesizer Programmer Assoc. wanted. [...]

]]> By: Mutant Frog Travelogue » Blog Archive » Update on used electronics restrictions - some good news http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-34349 Mutant Frog Travelogue » Blog Archive » Update on used electronics restrictions - some good news Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:11:25 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-34349 [...] Update to an earlier post where I discussed Japan’s new restrictions on sales of second hand electronics. I’ll start by summarizing what I know about the issue so far, and then add the good news at the end. [...] [...] Update to an earlier post where I discussed Japan’s new restrictions on sales of second hand electronics. I’ll start by summarizing what I know about the issue so far, and then add the good news at the end. [...]

]]> By: Stig http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-34218 Stig Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:36:23 +0000 http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/#comment-34218 Yesterday March 14, 2006 the Japanese ministry in charge of the PSE law and its interpretation announced that "Vintage Electric Equipment" including guitar amps, audio, electric musical instruments, and electric powered photographic equipment etc. will be exempted from full PSE testing requirements, and will be allowed to sell after a simplified registration procedure is followed by the merchant. For those who can read Japanese, see news item at Yahoo Japan: http://dailynews.yahoo.co.jp/fc/domestic/pse_law/ http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20060314-00000053-mai-bus_all Also notice that major second-hand audio retailer HiFi Do had already registered with the ministry as a re-manufacturer of used audio equipment and has set itself up to do fully compliant testing and certification, and also will equip each piece of used equipment they sell (after testing and modifying the equipment to comply with the law) with a properly registered PSE sticker. See http://www.hifido.co.jp/merumaga/osu_sale/060310/ So this means the good Ryuichi Sakamoto (who campaigned against the law prohibiting sale of vintage synthesizers etc.) and his friends were successful. Cheers! Yesterday March 14, 2006 the Japanese ministry in charge of the PSE law and its interpretation announced that “Vintage Electric Equipment” including guitar amps, audio, electric musical instruments, and electric powered photographic equipment etc. will be exempted from full PSE testing requirements, and will be allowed to sell after a simplified registration procedure is followed by the merchant.

For those who can read Japanese, see news item at Yahoo Japan:
http://dailynews.yahoo.co.jp/fc/domestic/pse_law/
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20060314-00000053-mai-bus_all

Also notice that major second-hand audio retailer HiFi Do had already registered with the ministry as a re-manufacturer of used audio equipment and has set itself up to do fully compliant testing and certification, and also will equip each piece of used equipment they sell (after testing and modifying the equipment to comply with the law) with a properly registered PSE sticker.

See http://www.hifido.co.jp/merumaga/osu_sale/060310/

So this means the good Ryuichi Sakamoto (who campaigned against the law prohibiting sale of vintage synthesizers etc.) and his friends were successful.

Cheers!

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