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		<title>By: chunguang</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2005/06/13/henry-kissinger-is-a-nitwit/comment-page-1/#comment-26222</link>
		<dc:creator>chunguang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is that Xinjiang is Chinese territory and we will never give it up. The wind can blow but the mountain will never bow to the wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is that Xinjiang is Chinese territory and we will never give it up. The wind can blow but the mountain will never bow to the wind.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online&#187;Blog Archive
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online&#187;Blog Archive
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] log Archive � Henry Kissinger doesn’t know Chinese history (or maybe just lies about it)&quot; href=&quot;http://www.mutantfrog.com/2005/06/13/henry-kissinger-is-a-nitwit/&quot;&gt;the answer is &#8220;not well at all&#8221;, as does Bingfeng Teahouse. 	SimonW [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] log Archive � Henry Kissinger doesn&#8217;t know Chinese history (or maybe just lies about it)&#8221; href=&#8221;http://www.mutantfrog.com/2005/06/13/henry-kissinger-is-a-nitwit/&#8221;>the answer is &#8220;not well at all&#8221;, as does Bingfeng Teahouse. SimonW [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mutant Frog Travelogue  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; More on Kissinger and China</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutant Frog Travelogue  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; More on Kissinger and China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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<p> I mentioned earlier that Henry Kissinger was either lying about or woefully ignorant of Chinese history and implied that this was d [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mutant Frog Travelogue  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New PLA missile `a warning&#8217; for the US, experts say</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutant Frog Travelogue  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New PLA missile `a warning&#8217; for the US, experts say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel T.</title>
		<link>http://www.mutantfrog.com/2005/06/13/henry-kissinger-is-a-nitwit/comment-page-1/#comment-5961</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taiwan Girl, 

So based on my one paragraph you have determined that I don&#039;t know Chinese history?  Well, those &quot;agencies&quot; as you call them, are hardly anything new.  Many empires in the past established bases in foreign areas, but the simple fact that such things existed is hardly determinative of any claim of sovereignty.  What exactly were they, and what degree of actual control did they have in the regions in which they were established?  What modern day implications do they have for establishing modern Chinese control over these varying regions?

The Han for example, established a system of commandaries in what is now modern day northeast Asia.  One such commandary, Lelang was established in what is now North Korea.  It&#039;s significance to Korean development is still very controversial.  Historically it played an important role in trasmitting Han era culture to the early peoples inhabiting the Korean pennisula.  But does its very existence (and later destruction) provide sufficient evidence of a claim of modern Chinese sovereignty over Korea?  

What can we say of Vietnam?  Although in total, a colony of various Chinese dynasties for around a 1000 years, Chinese control there was( like Anxi and the Han commandaries in northern Korea), never thoroughly established, and was periodic, punctuated by long periods of non-control, and almost constant rebellion.  Likewise, despite the heavy influence and displacement of native culture, a native culture did take root which was distinct from China.  

So, while on paper it appears that the Han did set up &quot;agencies&quot; in such areas, would one consider the Chinese presence, characterized by non-systemic, not deeply entrenchd control, indicative of a claim of modern sovereignty?  How troublesome would be the universal application of a claim of sovereignty based on such infrequent periods of actual control?  How much more troublesome would it be to claim sovereignty based on acts of a past government (fundamentally different from the present government)?  How troublesome would it be to base such a claim on acts occuring hudnreds of years ago?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taiwan Girl,</p>
<p>So based on my one paragraph you have determined that I don&#8217;t know Chinese history?  Well, those &#8220;agencies&#8221; as you call them, are hardly anything new.  Many empires in the past established bases in foreign areas, but the simple fact that such things existed is hardly determinative of any claim of sovereignty.  What exactly were they, and what degree of actual control did they have in the regions in which they were established?  What modern day implications do they have for establishing modern Chinese control over these varying regions?</p>
<p>The Han for example, established a system of commandaries in what is now modern day northeast Asia.  One such commandary, Lelang was established in what is now North Korea.  It&#8217;s significance to Korean development is still very controversial.  Historically it played an important role in trasmitting Han era culture to the early peoples inhabiting the Korean pennisula.  But does its very existence (and later destruction) provide sufficient evidence of a claim of modern Chinese sovereignty over Korea?</p>
<p>What can we say of Vietnam?  Although in total, a colony of various Chinese dynasties for around a 1000 years, Chinese control there was( like Anxi and the Han commandaries in northern Korea), never thoroughly established, and was periodic, punctuated by long periods of non-control, and almost constant rebellion.  Likewise, despite the heavy influence and displacement of native culture, a native culture did take root which was distinct from China.</p>
<p>So, while on paper it appears that the Han did set up &#8220;agencies&#8221; in such areas, would one consider the Chinese presence, characterized by non-systemic, not deeply entrenchd control, indicative of a claim of modern sovereignty?  How troublesome would be the universal application of a claim of sovereignty based on such infrequent periods of actual control?  How much more troublesome would it be to claim sovereignty based on acts of a past government (fundamentally different from the present government)?  How troublesome would it be to base such a claim on acts occuring hudnreds of years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Taiwan girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taiwan girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel T,

If you really take your time and read Chinese history, you know you are wrong, the Han had established long term government agencies in the far west and far south, called the Anxi (central Asia) and Annam (Vietnam). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel T,</p>
<p>If you really take your time and read Chinese history, you know you are wrong, the Han had established long term government agencies in the far west and far south, called the Anxi (central Asia) and Annam (Vietnam).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Han period of rule in modern Xinjiang was relatively brief, just as the Tang period of rule was.  A fundamental fact about empires is that their borders were constantly fluid.  There are generally uncontested central areas and more fluid border territories were &quot;contested&quot; areas which changed hands frequently.  Unfortunately, many people today believe that even a brief period of rule, irregardless of duration or extent (reach) of rule, is dispositive of sovereignty.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Han period of rule in modern Xinjiang was relatively brief, just as the Tang period of rule was.  A fundamental fact about empires is that their borders were constantly fluid.  There are generally uncontested central areas and more fluid border territories were &#8220;contested&#8221; areas which changed hands frequently.  Unfortunately, many people today believe that even a brief period of rule, irregardless of duration or extent (reach) of rule, is dispositive of sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, right after all those Anglos in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US go back home to England. On second thought, maybe the English should also go back to Normandy or Denmark where they came from and leave the island to the Celts. 

Well, The Brits left Hong Kong a few years back, maybe that&#039;ll get the ball rolling on all the others.


P.S. Your sarcasm did not go entirely unnoticed. I actually don&#039;t know about the Tujia or Ruruan, I haven&#039;t studied the region THAT far back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, right after all those Anglos in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US go back home to England. On second thought, maybe the English should also go back to Normandy or Denmark where they came from and leave the island to the Celts.</p>
<p>Well, The Brits left Hong Kong a few years back, maybe that&#8217;ll get the ball rolling on all the others.</p>
<p>P.S. Your sarcasm did not go entirely unnoticed. I actually don&#8217;t know about the Tujia or Ruruan, I haven&#8217;t studied the region <span class="caps">THAT</span> far back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I should mention that the response was tongue-in-cheek. So hard to convey the subtleties of language via text. I was aware of the fact that the Uighurs themselves were migrants to the regionafter the Chinese, the last section was just an off the cuff jape about the desire on the part of some Uighurs and foreigners to see the Chinese out of Xinjiang. I guess if seniority were the bases for contemporary claims of sovereignty, the Tujia or mabye the Ruruan would have first dips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I should mention that the response was tongue-in-cheek. So hard to convey the subtleties of language via text. I was aware of the fact that the Uighurs themselves were migrants to the regionafter the Chinese, the last section was just an off the cuff jape about the desire on the part of some Uighurs and foreigners to see the Chinese out of Xinjiang. I guess if seniority were the bases for contemporary claims of sovereignty, the Tujia or mabye the Ruruan would have first dips.</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm quite right, someone ought to tell those Uighur independence advocates that they are squating on Chinese land and it would be much appreciated if they simply went back to Mongolia. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm quite right, someone ought to tell those Uighur independence advocates that they are squating on Chinese land and it would be much appreciated if they simply went back to Mongolia.</p>
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