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	<title>Comments on: What Yasukuni says about the Nanjing Massacre, what most Japanese probably know</title>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>today is the anniversery

saw it in the news in HK</description>
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<p>saw it in the news in HK</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nanking fell on December 13 ,1937 by the ono unit at 3:10 am</description>
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		<title>By: Tsubasa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tsubasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 05:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Japanese.

Why even our new genration can not have good relationship each other?
Why we also need to be attacted by not only old generation but new generation?

I was shocked when I knew Chinese people attacked japanese people who live in China. 
At that time, I was just in Hong Kong. 
I wanted to go to Shenjeng with my HK friends. 
But, my friend told me not to go there.
I didn&#039;t know why I can&#039;t go at that time.

Yasukuni problem is not related that Chinese people can attack Japanese people. 
I thought most chinese people don&#039;t know Yasukuni well.
It&#039;s not good to attack people without knowing problem well.
 
I really can say Japan never go back to Imperializm.
If Chinese people can spend time by chatting, playing, travelling Japan with us, they can feel our calm atmosphere by themselves.
They just don&#039;t know current Japanese people.

I hope new generation don&#039;t have any hostility each other.
We Japanese don&#039;t have such hostility to China
I like China, culture, history, movie, music, foods, many many.. 
I have many friends there.
I want to visit them freely.
I really hope we can have good relationship in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Japanese.</p>
<p>Why even our new genration can not have good relationship each other?<br />
Why we also need to be attacted by not only old generation but new generation?</p>
<p>I was shocked when I knew Chinese people attacked japanese people who live in China.<br />
At that time, I was just in Hong Kong.<br />
I wanted to go to Shenjeng with my HK friends.<br />
But, my friend told me not to go there.<br />
I didn&#8217;t know why I can&#8217;t go at that time.</p>
<p>Yasukuni problem is not related that Chinese people can attack Japanese people.<br />
I thought most chinese people don&#8217;t know Yasukuni well.<br />
It&#8217;s not good to attack people without knowing problem well.</p>
<p>I really can say Japan never go back to Imperializm.<br />
If Chinese people can spend time by chatting, playing, travelling Japan with us, they can feel our calm atmosphere by themselves.<br />
They just don&#8217;t know current Japanese people.</p>
<p>I hope new generation don&#8217;t have any hostility each other.<br />
We Japanese don&#8217;t have such hostility to China<br />
I like China, culture, history, movie, music, foods, many many..<br />
I have many friends there.<br />
I want to visit them freely.<br />
I really hope we can have good relationship in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Bathrobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bathrobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 03:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the shock of seeing young, intelligent, educated Chinese amongst the most fanatical Japan haters&quot;

No, the hatred goes right through the population.

Just a few points. 

The Communist party does like to use anti-Japanese sentiment because it legitimises their hold on power. They claim credit for having driven the Japanese out of China, and with all the mistakes they&#039;ve made since then, it&#039;s not surprising that they retreat to the last resort of rascals, patriotism.

Chinese intellectuals have traditionally been extremely patriotic (even jingoistic) because (and this is my personal belief) they see themselves as the guardians of Chinese civilisation. Young intellectuals are also extremely idealistic because they know nothing of the world, only what they read in textbooks. Chinese in the real world may still hate the Japanese, but it&#039;s tempered by their realisation that not everything is as it seems and by a more basic preoccupation with carrying on their lives.

You have to understand that, no matter how enlightened or educated they may be, all Chinese share the single nationalistic aim of restoring their country to its former greatness. Virtually no Chinese would ever question this goal. As the &#039;victim of imperialism&#039;, it never occurs to them that, viewed from another angle, their aspirations look very much like great power aggrandisement. (When Mao invaded Tibet and Xinjiang, this was simply a rightful &#039;taking back&#039; of what had been unfairly taken away, no matter that China had only gained these territories by invasion, and quite recently, too -- 18th century. Taiwan is viewed in a similar light.) This is what China&#039;s modern agenda is all about. Look forward to more problems in future, especially as China seeks the energy sources it needs to become a modern, powerful country.

Personally, I feel great antipathy to the Chinese rioters. I believe they are motivated by nothing more than racial hatred (an apology and righting of Yasukuni will not cause Sino-Japanese friction to go away) and that they are being manipulated by the Chinese government. 

But one can only be frustrated that Japan&#039;s future relations with Asia (perhaps even ultimately its national prosperity and national existence) re being held hostage by a small group of extremists. 

Yasukuni and the war criminals that were secretly enshrined there is an issue that has to be resolved.  If Yasukuni is Japan&#039;s national shrine, the Japanese government should have some say about who is enshrined there. If it is a private organisation then it should not be regarded as Japan&#039;s national shrine and the PM shouldn&#039;t be visiting it. Japanese politicians are ingenuously hiding behind the fact that the shrine has been put in a grey area. One cannot blame the Chinese for thinking that the whole thing is deliberate. If Japanese politicians have the gall to make surreptitious visits, why haven&#039;t they got the balls to clean up the situation? Japan may end up paying dearly for the intransigence of a few dyed in the wool nationalists and jingoists who don&#039;t represent the mass of the Japanese people or their interests.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the shock of seeing young, intelligent, educated Chinese amongst the most fanatical Japan haters&#8221;</p>
<p>No, the hatred goes right through the population.</p>
<p>Just a few points.</p>
<p>The Communist party does like to use anti-Japanese sentiment because it legitimises their hold on power. They claim credit for having driven the Japanese out of China, and with all the mistakes they&#8217;ve made since then, it&#8217;s not surprising that they retreat to the last resort of rascals, patriotism.</p>
<p>Chinese intellectuals have traditionally been extremely patriotic (even jingoistic) because (and this is my personal belief) they see themselves as the guardians of Chinese civilisation. Young intellectuals are also extremely idealistic because they know nothing of the world, only what they read in textbooks. Chinese in the real world may still hate the Japanese, but it&#8217;s tempered by their realisation that not everything is as it seems and by a more basic preoccupation with carrying on their lives.</p>
<p>You have to understand that, no matter how enlightened or educated they may be, all Chinese share the single nationalistic aim of restoring their country to its former greatness. Virtually no Chinese would ever question this goal. As the &#8216;victim of imperialism&#8217;, it never occurs to them that, viewed from another angle, their aspirations look very much like great power aggrandisement. (When Mao invaded Tibet and Xinjiang, this was simply a rightful &#8216;taking back&#8217; of what had been unfairly taken away, no matter that China had only gained these territories by invasion, and quite recently, too&#8212;18th century. Taiwan is viewed in a similar light.) This is what China&#8217;s modern agenda is all about. Look forward to more problems in future, especially as China seeks the energy sources it needs to become a modern, powerful country.</p>
<p>Personally, I feel great antipathy to the Chinese rioters. I believe they are motivated by nothing more than racial hatred (an apology and righting of Yasukuni will not cause Sino-Japanese friction to go away) and that they are being manipulated by the Chinese government.</p>
<p>But one can only be frustrated that Japan&#8217;s future relations with Asia (perhaps even ultimately its national prosperity and national existence) re being held hostage by a small group of extremists.</p>
<p>Yasukuni and the war criminals that were secretly enshrined there is an issue that has to be resolved.  If Yasukuni is Japan&#8217;s national shrine, the Japanese government should have some say about who is enshrined there. If it is a private organisation then it should not be regarded as Japan&#8217;s national shrine and the PM shouldn&#8217;t be visiting it. Japanese politicians are ingenuously hiding behind the fact that the shrine has been put in a grey area. One cannot blame the Chinese for thinking that the whole thing is deliberate. If Japanese politicians have the gall to make surreptitious visits, why haven&#8217;t they got the balls to clean up the situation? Japan may end up paying dearly for the intransigence of a few dyed in the wool nationalists and jingoists who don&#8217;t represent the mass of the Japanese people or their interests.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The odd thing about the spat is China&#039;s rage: After all, they won the war, Japan lost. 
Britain&#039;s dislike of the Germans is tempered by the fact that they defeated the Germans fair and square. You can&#039;t be that mad against somebody you&#039;ve defeated twice. 
Perhaps the reason behind China&#039;s rage is that she wants to forget that the Communist Party and the KMT avoided fighting the Japanese as much as possible, in the best Chinese tradition of letting &#039;the barbarian fight the other barbarian&#039; (allowing the US to defeat Japan in the Pacific and Britain in Burma) in order to focus on the civil war after the Japanese defeat.
Just as China&#039;s rage reflects a bitter feeling that they failed dismally against Japan, so they never show any gratitude to the US and the UK, despite the heavy casualies the allies took in the Pacific theatre. 
Chinese war films  almost never reflect the allies&#039; contribution. 
I believe Japan&#039;s ambiguity about war guilt is influenced by what they see as the bad faith of the Chinese government, which opens and closes the tap of anti- Japanese feeling depending on its wider political agenda (currently to block Japan&#039;s access to the UN security council). 
It&#039;s striking that Japan has never been under the same pressure as Germany  to express remorse. But that&#039;s the Americans&#039; fault for forgiving many serious war criminals (eg the Emperor!)
Reparations is an interesting issue. Japan and German, whatever nominal reparations they paid, were the beneficiaries of massive US capital flows under the Marshall and other plans. 
The Chinese weren&#039;t - but then they were Communists, allies of the Soviets etc. Mao was completely uninterested in trading political compromise for financial capital. 
I think the core of the anger from the West is China&#039;s Communist Party&#039;s reluctance to make amends to its own population for the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution. 
As members of a democracy we find that hard to stomach. I suggest many feel that the Party has been a far crueller enemy to China than Japan. At heart, we are still waiting for China to become a liberal democracy. 
One more thing I&#039;d like to add is the shock of seeing young, intelligent, educated Chinese amongst the most fanatical Japan haters. The ordinary people seem a lot less excited about the issue. It shows that modernization doesn&#039;t always bring the rationality you&#039;d expect. 
Great posts above - thanks esp for the translations from Japanese. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odd thing about the spat is China&#8217;s rage: After all, they won the war, Japan lost.<br />
Britain&#8217;s dislike of the Germans is tempered by the fact that they defeated the Germans fair and square. You can&#8217;t be that mad against somebody you&#8217;ve defeated twice.<br />
Perhaps the reason behind China&#8217;s rage is that she wants to forget that the Communist Party and the <span class="caps">KMT</span> avoided fighting the Japanese as much as possible, in the best Chinese tradition of letting &#8216;the barbarian fight the other barbarian&#8217; (allowing the US to defeat Japan in the Pacific and Britain in Burma) in order to focus on the civil war after the Japanese defeat.<br />
Just as China&#8217;s rage reflects a bitter feeling that they failed dismally against Japan, so they never show any gratitude to the US and the UK, despite the heavy casualies the allies took in the Pacific theatre.<br />
Chinese war films  almost never reflect the allies&#8217; contribution.<br />
I believe Japan&#8217;s ambiguity about war guilt is influenced by what they see as the bad faith of the Chinese government, which opens and closes the tap of anti- Japanese feeling depending on its wider political agenda (currently to block Japan&#8217;s access to the UN security council).<br />
It&#8217;s striking that Japan has never been under the same pressure as Germany  to express remorse. But that&#8217;s the Americans&#8217; fault for forgiving many serious war criminals (eg the Emperor!)<br />
Reparations is an interesting issue. Japan and German, whatever nominal reparations they paid, were the beneficiaries of massive US capital flows under the Marshall and other plans.<br />
The Chinese weren&#8217;t &#8211; but then they were Communists, allies of the Soviets etc. Mao was completely uninterested in trading political compromise for financial capital.<br />
I think the core of the anger from the West is China&#8217;s Communist Party&#8217;s reluctance to make amends to its own population for the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution.<br />
As members of a democracy we find that hard to stomach. I suggest many feel that the Party has been a far crueller enemy to China than Japan. At heart, we are still waiting for China to become a liberal democracy.<br />
One more thing I&#8217;d like to add is the shock of seeing young, intelligent, educated Chinese amongst the most fanatical Japan haters. The ordinary people seem a lot less excited about the issue. It shows that modernization doesn&#8217;t always bring the rationality you&#8217;d expect.<br />
Great posts above &#8211; thanks esp for the translations from Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: battlepanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>battlepanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am seriously saddened both by the recent anti-japanese demonstrations AND by the callously dismissive attitudes many in the west express towards the atrocities committed during WWII.

I&#039;m especially chilled by those who hector the Chinese people for not forgiving and forgetting. That&#039;s easy to say when it&#039;s not your grandparent&#039;s generation who died such harrowing deaths at the hands of the Japanese. Raped before being mutilated before being murdered. Used live for bayonet practice. The Japanese back then had a master race mentality that allowed them to treat their neighbors as subhumans. To delight in cruelty without the stain of guilt on their souls. Please don&#039;t insult me by telling me I&#039;m exaggerating or being emotional. I know that there are a lot of us, but that doesn&#039;t mean Chinese lives are cheap. 

I read Iris Chang&#039;s &quot;The Rape on Nanking&quot; and could not sleep. The conversation I had on the bus the day before with a Japanese boy kept replaying itself over and over in my mind. Why, he asked, are other Asian Countries so keen on &quot;Japan bashing&quot;? It&#039;s all so long ago. Let bygones be bygones. (A lot of people died terrible deaths. Were raped and tortured). Yeah, but that&#039;s war, isn&#039;t it. People die in wars. Japanese people died too. (But your textbooks don&#039;t reflect the extent which the Japanese people inflicted cruelty on their neighbors). Well all textbooks do that. It&#039;s just the way it is. (But the Germans faced up to their atrocitis). But what &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; did was really bad isn&#039;t it. That&#039;s different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am seriously saddened both by the recent anti-japanese demonstrations <span class="caps">AND</span> by the callously dismissive attitudes many in the west express towards the atrocities committed during <span class="caps">WWII</span>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m especially chilled by those who hector the Chinese people for not forgiving and forgetting. That&#8217;s easy to say when it&#8217;s not your grandparent&#8217;s generation who died such harrowing deaths at the hands of the Japanese. Raped before being mutilated before being murdered. Used live for bayonet practice. The Japanese back then had a master race mentality that allowed them to treat their neighbors as subhumans. To delight in cruelty without the stain of guilt on their souls. Please don&#8217;t insult me by telling me I&#8217;m exaggerating or being emotional. I know that there are a lot of us, but that doesn&#8217;t mean Chinese lives are cheap.</p>
<p>I read Iris Chang&#8217;s &#8220;The Rape on Nanking&#8221; and could not sleep. The conversation I had on the bus the day before with a Japanese boy kept replaying itself over and over in my mind. Why, he asked, are other Asian Countries so keen on &#8220;Japan bashing&#8221;? It&#8217;s all so long ago. Let bygones be bygones. (A lot of people died terrible deaths. Were raped and tortured). Yeah, but that&#8217;s war, isn&#8217;t it. People die in wars. Japanese people died too. (But your textbooks don&#8217;t reflect the extent which the Japanese people inflicted cruelty on their neighbors). Well all textbooks do that. It&#8217;s just the way it is. (But the Germans faced up to their atrocitis). But what <i>they</i> did was really bad isn&#8217;t it. That&#8217;s different.</p>
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		<title>By: sango</title>
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		<dc:creator>sango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mutantfrog:
I misread your intentions.

Well, there&#039;s another reason to prove that it&#039;s not about money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mutantfrog:<br />
I misread your intentions.</p>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s another reason to prove that it&#8217;s not about money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not remotely imply that &quot;the economic benefits China gets from trade with Japan should be considered compensation for Japan’s war crimes.&quot;
What I said was that I don&#039;t buy the theory that China is primarily interested in reparations because the damage to Chinese/Japanese relations that would be exacted by acquiring those reparations could very well cost China more in the long run, by damaging trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not remotely imply that &#8220;the economic benefits China gets from trade with Japan should be considered compensation for Japan&#8217;s war crimes.&#8221;<br />
What I said was that I don&#8217;t buy the theory that China is primarily interested in reparations because the damage to Chinese/Japanese relations that would be exacted by acquiring those reparations could very well cost China more in the long run, by damaging trade.</p>
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		<title>By: sango</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the economic benefits China gets from trade with Japan should be considered compensation for Japan&#039;s war crimes. After all, Japan benefits too (China is the main reason Japan was able to pull out of its recession). 

Germany paid $80 billion in war reparations, but Japan only &lt;i&gt;lent&lt;/i&gt; China $30 billion in low-interest development aid, which they still have to pay back. China never demanded money from Japan, actually, even though 20 million Chinese died as a result of Japan&#039;s invasion. It&#039;s no wonder why they&#039;re not too happy that Japan is ending its &quot;development aid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the economic benefits China gets from trade with Japan should be considered compensation for Japan&#8217;s war crimes. After all, Japan benefits too (China is the main reason Japan was able to pull out of its recession).</p>
<p>Germany paid $80 billion in war reparations, but Japan only <i>lent</i> China $30 billion in low-interest development aid, which they still have to pay back. China never demanded money from Japan, actually, even though 20 million Chinese died as a result of Japan&#8217;s invasion. It&#8217;s no wonder why they&#8217;re not too happy that Japan is ending its &#8220;development aid.&#8221; </p>
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		<dc:creator>Mutant Frog Travelogue  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Banned manga depicting Najing Massacre</dc:creator>
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